BYU Prof says 9-11 was BushCo. plot!!!!!!!!!!!

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Lucky said:
Aiui the top end for fires would be 1000-1200 celcius.
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I don't know if you just think in metric, or if you are deliberately trying to make a fire sound less hot than it is. For the metrically-challenged among us, 1200 degrees Celsius is 2192 degrees Fahrenheit.

Which is hot.
 
Do or can their conclusion rule out the possibility of other destructive mechanisms having been involved?
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When the whole event was filmed, from first strike to final fall, and the process and wreckage examined in detail, it's pretty hard for a sane rational person to accept the notion that there was any other destructive mechanism involved. There might be some quibbling over minor details, but after all they analysis, it's pretty silly to start with the unquestionable occurrence of a fully-loaded 767 flying straight into a tall building, and then look earnestly for some other reason why it burned and fell.

Analogy:
The magical troup Penn & Teller have a novel act wherein Teller walks on stage smoking a cigarette, drops it, crushes it out, and lights another cig ... thereafter revealing to the audience that every bit of it was faked. While it is pretty easy to fake smoking a cigarette (given enough time, props, prep, practice, & setting), NOBODY EVER thinks an arbitrary smoker is "faking it" - to do so would an absurd waste of time and drive the investigator mad.

The entire 9/11 event has been intensely scrutinized by a great many people of considerable talent and knowledge. They did not come up with any hint of an "alternative distructive mechanism".
 
Democrats attacking bush(REPUBLICAN PARTY)

Dont piss down my back and tell me its raining,the Democrats are at it hot and heavy attacking Bush and his administration as hard as they can in hopes to come up with something that at least looks concrete against them before the next vote.Im sick and tired of everybody attacking our own country and countrymen, if you dont like the way things are in the united states ,then get the hell out.
 
Someone else managed to blame Bush for hurricane Katrina. Yeah really, the weather, not the aftermath.:banghead:
 
shootin student: The guy who runs the site I got the link from(who may have linked to another site, maybe THEY make that "No plane at the pentagon" claim...) actually makes a point of saying that a plane DID hit the pentagon...He thinks the guys who say that there was no plane, or that the planes had "pods" of some kind under the wing, are just saying those things to discredit the 9/11 truth movement. His name's mike rivero and, whether you believe his theories or not, he's a straight shooter and, I might add, a republican.. the website is http://whatreallyhappened.com/
 
seansean,

You're right, I got that site mixed up with a video title.

However, that goes back to my theory..look at what "whatreallyhappened.com" says under the "Israel" section.

It is classic anti-semitic drivel.

For example, to prove that Mossad bombers (why, again?) were trying to attack Mexico, http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/mex.html

He cites La Voz de Aztlan...quite possibly the most anti-semitic, and blatantly so, internet paper I've ever seen published by a group that claims not to be neo-nazi.

You have to wonder what would motivate someone to accept those kinds of sources as "factual" in making up some theories about US-Israel relations and 9/11...it's certainly not the reputation for only reporting the truth that he's relying on there.
 
I didn't see anything in the article that mentioned a "Bushco plot". Waddayasay we leave Bush out of it unless he can be fairly blamed for something.
 
shootinstudent: Have you really read his articles thoroughly? Or, are you just giving a knee-jerk reaction? I've been reading that site for 3 years, and I'm not the kind of guy who buys into the whole "evil jewish people" BS at all. His criticisms are of the israeli government, The IDF and Mossad, and their actions since the state of israel came into being, not of the jewish people in general.

edit: just read your post...I don't know if la voz is anti-semitic or not(I'll take your word for it) but what I do know is, by reading that site, I had more info on world events, a lot earlier, than my friends who swear by CNN. I was talking about the PNAC and the office of special plans 2 years ago because of that site, and my friends thought I was nuts. Now, it's on hardball. I'm just sayin' the guy usually has good information.
 
His criticisms are of the israeli government, The IDF and Mossad, and their actions since the state of israel came into being, not of the jewish people in general.
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I just quoted one of his articles. La Voz de Aztlan is a known and openly anti-semitic paper...why would he use that to prove a "fact" when that paper goes out of its way to express anti-semitic hatred?

Yeah, I know the standard line..."I don't hate all jews, just Israelis (and anyone who supports them)". I agree that criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic. I do it myself all the time. That doesn't mean however that any criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic...I've been reading these articles, and they are a rehash of classic Jewish conspiracy theories.

Here are some of the claims also listed:

"Israeli blackmailed Clinton with secret Israeli spy video from the whitehouse"

"Israeli interests can listen to any phone conversation in America on large providers" (What is an "israeli interest??" Look suspiciously like "Execs and corps with Jewish leadership")

"Who really owns congress?" (Parts 1-4)

No, he doesn't come out on the website and say he's anti-semitic. My point is, this evidence is so specious and unreliable, there is clearly another motivation he has for posting it. You have to make huge leaps of the imagination for any of these Israeli-conspiracy theories to make sense, and what I'm arguing is that the motivation for making those leaps is more often than not anti-Semitism. I'm assuming here that a neutral pair of eyes will look at most of this info and say "ha! reminds me of the National Enquirer articles my babysitter used to read"...so if you look at this and say "hmm, these are good facts", there's probably a motivation other than bare concern for the truth.
 
It's all true. Elvis came to me in a dream and told me that Karl Rove planted bombs in both the WTC and a Krispy Kreme in Memphis, but the grease from the donuts smothered the blasting cap at the donut store.

The original conspiracy was to try to get the American people to eat right, but since the bomb at the donut store didn't go off, we are stuck with this whole "war on terror" farce.

I swear it happened just like that.
 
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No, he doesn't come out on the website and say he's anti-semitic. My point is, this evidence is so specious and unreliable, there is clearly another motivation he has for posting it. You have to make huge leaps of the imagination for any of these Israeli-conspiracy theories to make sense, and what I'm arguing is that the motivation for making those leaps is more often than not anti-Semitism. I'm assuming here that a neutral pair of eyes will look at most of this info and say "ha! reminds me of the National Enquirer articles my babysitter used to read"...so if you look at this and say "hmm, these are good facts", there's probably a motivation other than bare concern for the truth.

Well, that's impossible to prove or disprove, as I can't know what's in his or any of his readers' hearts...But I know myself, my own moral compass and I can discern between someone with an ulterior motive and someone stating their truth as they know it, and whether he's right or wrong, I don't feel he's an anti-semite, or trying to promote anti-semitism. As a black man, I'm hyper-sensitive to discrimination, whether it's of jewish people, my people, his panics, whatever...and I see a guy there who sees a lot of lies being told about darn near EVERYTHING, and is therefore questioning everything. I've got no problem with that at all.
There's another guy named wayne madsen that's pretty good too.
http://waynemadsenreport.com/
 
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LawDog said:
Don't take someones word for it, read and judge for yourself:

http://www.aztlan.net/

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you're right, I'll give it a hard look, at first glance it does look pretty extreme...however, I don't think it necessarily damages the credibility of the other site we're debating, that site is by no means it's main source of info, that may have been the only time he linked to that site, I'll check that out too.
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Investigator: "Professor, you have concluded that World Trade Center was demolished by explosives planted within the buildings?"

Professor Jones: "Absolutely, beyond any doubt."

Investigator: "Is your conclusion based on your extensive background in architecture, structural engineering, and explosive demolition?"

Professor Jones: "No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."
 
shootinstudent said:
I just quoted one of his articles. La Voz de Aztlan is a known and openly anti-semitic paper...why would he use that to prove a "fact" when that paper goes out of its way to express anti-semitic hatred?

Yeah, I know the standard line..."I don't hate all jews, just Israelis (and anyone who supports them)". I agree that criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic. I do it myself all the time. That doesn't mean however that any criticism of Israel is not anti-semitic...I've been reading these articles, and they are a rehash of classic Jewish conspiracy theories.

Here are some of the claims also listed:

"Israeli blackmailed Clinton with secret Israeli spy video from the whitehouse"

"Israeli interests can listen to any phone conversation in America on large providers" (What is an "israeli interest??" Look suspiciously like "Execs and corps with Jewish leadership")

"Who really owns congress?" (Parts 1-4)

No, he doesn't come out on the website and say he's anti-semitic. My point is, this evidence is so specious and unreliable, there is clearly another motivation he has for posting it. You have to make huge leaps of the imagination for any of these Israeli-conspiracy theories to make sense, and what I'm arguing is that the motivation for making those leaps is more often than not anti-Semitism. I'm assuming here that a neutral pair of eyes will look at most of this info and say "ha! reminds me of the National Enquirer articles my babysitter used to read"...so if you look at this and say "hmm, these are good facts", there's probably a motivation other than bare concern for the truth.
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Has anyone checked this idiot's tobbaco pouch for controlled substances?:eek:
 
Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see........oh and did i mention i work directly for the pentagon and bushs attack on iraq was soley based on the fact that they were hiding unidentified aliens from outer space.
 
Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation
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Because, you know, American scientists and engineers who actually build buildings for a living instead of tofu-cooking solar ovens "can't be trusted.":banghead:



Structural engineer describes collapse of the World Trade Center towers

As chief structural engineer and senior vice president of ABS Consulting Inc. in Oakland, Calif., Hamburger is a member of an engineering team commissioned by the Structural Engineers Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) to assess the performance of the WTC and surrounding buildings in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks.

The impact probably caused a failure of the fireproofing in the affected areas," he said. "We think that the fuel ignited several floors in the building," he added, which had a devastating effect on the steel support beams.

"Steel is born of fire," Hamburger explained. "As it's reheated, it expands and loses its rigidity. Above 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, it loses a significant amount of its strength."

He said the extreme heat from the fires might have caused the steel floors to expand and bow, which may have caused the support columns to bend inward and buckle. Heat also may have caused the steel flooring to separate from the columns, or the columns themselves may have heated up and buckled outward.
 
I've never seen THAT theory, and yes, that is nuts. I'm a new yorker, and I've been to the WTC on numerous occassions
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BS, you're part of the conspiracy.:D

the entire length is shaped charge,
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If you knew even a little bit about explosives (that's all I know - a little bit), you'd know that's impossible. Look up "shaped charge" and you'll probably find all you need.
 
Doc,

Don't know about the explosive under discussion but you can use angle iron to focus a c-4 charge into a linear cutting device.

We chopped a square out of a LAV hull with one. Course, that was aluminum. :confused:

The better part was when we buried a whole satchel charge under the bow and flipped the thing end for end. :evil:
 
It's funny... we ignore this report, which includes the opinions of more than 70 professionals in fields such as aviation, engineering, and the military, and believe a crackpot physicist. Why is that? Why do we write-off the opinions of real professionals (including scientists at NIST), and believe this idiot?
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Hmm -- I have three engineering degrees and two of them are in mechanical / metallurgical engineering. I've met and worked with a lot of very smart people while in academia and industry.

I have also observed something that I would have not thought, as a casual observer, from the outside: the possession of an advanced technical degree says nothing about how smart you are. It says a lot about how hard a worker you are...but I've known a lot of really stupid smart people walking the halls of our nations finest universities.

Post-name alphabet soups have little to do with what's in the noggin'.

Have a great Thanksgiving,
Rich, BS, MSME, MSPT, PE, TEOTWAWKI, SHTF, ROFLMAO, AFAIK, FWIW, YMMV
 
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