evan price
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I'm enhancing my S&W collecting now that I got a C&R.
I'm interested in a particular Smith & Wesson in factory nickel. The seller lists that he will ship a gun to a C&R as long as you do the research to prove that the gun is a C&R. It's a shop that seems to use a standard boilerplate ad for all their auctions.
The specific gun is obviously a long-action pre WWII model, "MADE IN USA" on the side of the frame, mushroom ejector knob. The gun is pretty nice but not special. Unless I miss my guess it should date to pre-1930 or thereabouts.
I sent them an email in which I enclosed a quotation of the federal regulations for what constitutes a C&R (Item #1 is any gun that is over 50 years old). I also pointed out that any pre-WWII S&W was by default over 50 years old.
The seller responded that a C&R gun is ONLY a C&R gun if it is specifically listed by serial number in the C&R book. To get in the C&R book it has to be meeting one of the three criteria.
Well, this is NOT what the statute says.
At least I am trying to work this out BEFORE bidding.
Guy won't budge and will only ship to a FFL.
It's not like the $30 transfer fee kills me, but it takes a marginal deal and makes it not that great.
Have I somehow misinterpreted something?
The text from the ATF says:
Curios or relics.
Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
(a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.
I'm interested in a particular Smith & Wesson in factory nickel. The seller lists that he will ship a gun to a C&R as long as you do the research to prove that the gun is a C&R. It's a shop that seems to use a standard boilerplate ad for all their auctions.
The specific gun is obviously a long-action pre WWII model, "MADE IN USA" on the side of the frame, mushroom ejector knob. The gun is pretty nice but not special. Unless I miss my guess it should date to pre-1930 or thereabouts.
I sent them an email in which I enclosed a quotation of the federal regulations for what constitutes a C&R (Item #1 is any gun that is over 50 years old). I also pointed out that any pre-WWII S&W was by default over 50 years old.
The seller responded that a C&R gun is ONLY a C&R gun if it is specifically listed by serial number in the C&R book. To get in the C&R book it has to be meeting one of the three criteria.
Well, this is NOT what the statute says.
At least I am trying to work this out BEFORE bidding.
Guy won't budge and will only ship to a FFL.
It's not like the $30 transfer fee kills me, but it takes a marginal deal and makes it not that great.
Have I somehow misinterpreted something?
The text from the ATF says:
Curios or relics.
Firearms which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
(a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
(c) Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event. Proof of qualification of a particular firearm under this category may be established by evidence of present value and evidence that like firearms are not available except as collector's items, or that the value of like firearms available in ordinary commercial channels is substantially less.
