Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by DMK, Feb 5, 2005.
True, but, most FFL01's won't sell under the C&R unless it is on the list. Too many 'gray' areas for them to risk their license. I've run into this to where they won't sell without NICS if it's not in print.
It's 2005. Anything made prior to 1955 should be sold as C&R, but are they, no. Many here have guns that were made prior to 1955 but they are not on the list due to they are still in production today. The government doesn't wish to make it easy on us to buy, they just throw us a piece of paper at $30 every three years to make us happy (yet the GCA still stands for short rifles, shotguns and machine guns).
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Accounding the the ATF's list there are several
Czechoslovakian, model 1952 and 1952/57, 7.62 x 45mm and 7.62 x 39mm cal., semiautomatic rifles.
Egyptian Raschid, semiautomatic rifle, cal. 7.62 x 39mm, original Egyptian military production.
Egyptian, Hakim (Ljungman) 7.92mm semiautomatic rifle as mfd. in Egypt.
Fabrique Nationale, model SAFN49 semiautomatic rifles, any caliber.
FN F.A.L. G and GL series, semiautomatic rifles, imported by Browning Arms Company, Arnold, MO from 1959 to 1963
French Military Rifle Model 1949/56, in 7.62 x 51mm (NATO) cal. French, model 1949, cal. 7.5mm, semiauto. rifle (Fusil Mle. 1949 (MAS) 7.5mm).
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, semiautomatic rifle, model 1940 (SVT40), cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Dragunov, semiautomatic rifle, model SVD, cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture, Soviet military issue only.
U.S., Rifle, cal. .30 M1, original military issue only, produced prior to 1956.
The actions of some spineless dealers are of no reference or consequence to the law or to me.
I'm in Missouri, but very close to Arkansas, and all the gun shops are there, but I can't buy handguns in Arkansas. So....can I buy C&R handguns in another state?
Both apply. You have to jump through the NFA hoops to get a C&R NFA item, but once you've got the stamp it can be sent direct to you.
C&R handguns in another state.
Wrong. Here it is, in writing, from the ATF itself:
This shows that firearms 50+ years old are NOT considered modern arms, even if they are not specifically on the C&R list. Now, if some dealers don't understand that, that's a problem with those dealers, not the ATF.
(The cut-off date progresses every year. Do you honestly expect the ATF to update the list every year)
That's just not right. Any gun that was made > 50 years ago is _by definition_ C&R. Now I think people get confused because they think of "models" rather than individual guns. Just because S&W was making a particular model of revolver fifty years ago doesn't mean the particular one you see on gunbroker.com is actually C&R. In order to prove it, you will have to have a serial number list. That can cause problems with things like Chinese SKS's because who knows which rifle was produced when? You have to KNOW when that particular gun was produced UNLESS the model is on the list.
So the "best C&R guns" are the models which went out of production more than 50 years ago. Then we know for sure that every one of them is C&R without any kind of serial number list. That can help with Smiths since we know the "pre-27's" were made before 1955.
Not knowing for sure when a particular gun was made is usually the biggest problem with actually using a C&R with a "modernish" gun. But I have certainly used the heck out of mine in the last 4-5 years!
Good point. You'd have to have some kind of documentation to show when that gun was made unless it's either commn knowledge (can't depend on that very much in the firearms world) or if the date is stamped on it somewhere.
Now if the dealer is ignorant of the law, then all bets are off. But that doesn't make it illegal. It just means the dealer doesn't know the law. Of course, he does get the same two books of state and federal gun laws that I get every year and could look it up if he gave a hoot.
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