Anything over 50 yrs is a C&R

[Diggler]

From what I understand, they don't have to be 'on the list' if they are over 50 years old.

 

[USP45usp]

Diggler,

True, but, most FFL01's won't sell under the C&R unless it is on the list. Too many 'gray' areas for them to risk their license. I've run into this to where they won't sell without NICS if it's not in print.

It's 2005. Anything made prior to 1955 should be sold as C&R, but are they, no. Many here have guns that were made prior to 1955 but they are not on the list due to they are still in production today. The government doesn't wish to make it easy on us to buy, they just throw us a piece of paper at $30 every three years to make us happy (yet the GCA still stands for short rifles, shotguns and machine guns).

Wayne

 

[dev_null]

Darn, that reminds me: I need to remember to re-up my C&R. If I can remember when and how...

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[racenutz]

Detachable mags. Right now there is only one rifle that I know about that has been given the okay by the atf to be for sale. The government doesn't want you to have a battle rifle that has detachable mags.

Accounding the the ATF's list there are several
Czechoslovakian, model 1952 and 1952/57, 7.62 x 45mm and 7.62 x 39mm cal., semiautomatic rifles.
Egyptian Raschid, semiautomatic rifle, cal. 7.62 x 39mm, original Egyptian military production.
Egyptian, Hakim (Ljungman) 7.92mm semiautomatic rifle as mfd. in Egypt.
Fabrique Nationale, model SAFN49 semiautomatic rifles, any caliber.
FN F.A.L. G and GL series, semiautomatic rifles, imported by Browning Arms Company, Arnold, MO from 1959 to 1963
French Military Rifle Model 1949/56, in 7.62 x 51mm (NATO) cal. French, model 1949, cal. 7.5mm, semiauto. rifle (Fusil Mle. 1949 (MAS) 7.5mm).
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, semiautomatic rifle, model 1940 (SVT40), cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture.
Russian (U.S.S.R.), Dragunov, semiautomatic rifle, model SVD, cal. 7.62 x 54R, of Soviet manufacture, Soviet military issue only.
U.S., Rifle, cal. .30 M1, original military issue only, produced prior to 1956.

 

[artherd]

True, but, most FFL01's won't sell under the C&R unless it is on the list. Too many 'gray' areas for them to risk their license. I've run into this to where they won't sell without NICS if it's not in print.

It's 2005. Anything made prior to 1955 should be sold as C&R, but are they, no.

The actions of some spineless dealers are of no reference or consequence to the law or to me.

 

[Red Tornado]

So, can I go across the border (to Arkansas) and purchase a C&R pistol when my license comes in?

I'm in Missouri, but very close to Arkansas, and all the gun shops are there, but I can't buy handguns in Arkansas. So....can I buy C&R handguns in another state?
RT

 

[kfranz]

yet the GCA still stands for short rifles, shotguns and machine guns

Both apply. You have to jump through the NFA hoops to get a C&R NFA item, but once you've got the stamp it can be sent direct to you.

 

[carpettbaggerr]

Is there something you can't just walk in and buy at a gunshop without a C&R license??

C&R handguns in another state.

 

[Trebor]

Not all guns that are over 50 years old are on the list. You have to be careful on that one because the rifle or handgun may be over 50 years old but if it's not on the approved list, then it's considered a modern arm. Catch .22 so to speak.

Wrong. Here it is, in writing, from the ATF itself:

To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

(a) Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;

This shows that firearms 50+ years old are NOT considered modern arms, even if they are not specifically on the C&R list. Now, if some dealers don't understand that, that's a problem with those dealers, not the ATF.

(The cut-off date progresses every year. Do you honestly expect the ATF to update the list every year)

 

[Trebor]

Btw, some early Colt AR-15's/M-16's are on the C&R list now, because of their rarity, even though they are not yet 50 years old. Same goes for original Armalite AR-18 rifles. (Yes, even the full auto ones)

 

[Okiecruffler]

The actual law doesn't amount to a hill of beans if the dealer doesn't want to honor the licence, it's his call. Be careful buying handguns, state law trumps fed law alot of the time and if someone sends you something you shouldn't have it's your arse on the line.

 

[tulsamal]

It's 2005. Anything made prior to 1955 should be sold as C&R, but are they, no. Many here have guns that were made prior to 1955 but they are not on the list due to they are still in production today. The government doesn't wish to make it easy on us to buy, they just throw us a piece of paper at $30 every three years to make us happy (yet the GCA still stands for short rifles, shotguns and machine guns).

That's just not right. Any gun that was made > 50 years ago is _by definition_ C&R. Now I think people get confused because they think of "models" rather than individual guns. Just because S&W was making a particular model of revolver fifty years ago doesn't mean the particular one you see on gunbroker.com is actually C&R. In order to prove it, you will have to have a serial number list. That can cause problems with things like Chinese SKS's because who knows which rifle was produced when? You have to KNOW when that particular gun was produced UNLESS the model is on the list.

So the "best C&R guns" are the models which went out of production more than 50 years ago. Then we know for sure that every one of them is C&R without any kind of serial number list. That can help with Smiths since we know the "pre-27's" were made before 1955.

Not knowing for sure when a particular gun was made is usually the biggest problem with actually using a C&R with a "modernish" gun. But I have certainly used the heck out of mine in the last 4-5 years!

Gregg

 

[DMK]

Just because S&W was making a particular model of revolver fifty years ago doesn't mean the particular one you see on gunbroker.com is actually C&R. In order to prove it, you will have to have a serial number list.... So the "best C&R guns" are the models which went out of production more than 50 years ago. Then we know for sure that every one of them is C&R without any kind of serial number list. That can help with Smiths since we know the "pre-27's" were made before 1955.

Good point. You'd have to have some kind of documentation to show when that gun was made unless it's either commn knowledge (can't depend on that very much in the firearms world) or if the date is stamped on it somewhere.


Now if the dealer is ignorant of the law, then all bets are off. But that doesn't make it illegal. It just means the dealer doesn't know the law. Of course, he does get the same two books of state and federal gun laws that I get every year and could look it up if he gave a hoot.