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Caffeine or 7.62X25?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Josey, Jun 29, 2004.

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  1. Josey

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    Random thought. If the CZ52 is SO popular, why doesn't another mainstream manufacturer chamber something else in 7.62X25? I could see some autos easily converted by a top end to .30 Carbine and 7.62X25. Do I need coffee or is this a possibility? More pistols, more sales and more bullet designs? What do you think?:confused:
     
  2. WonderNine

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    They're not exactly uncommon, but they're not super popular either. You got any ideas on how to sell a new 7.62X25 chambered gun for $109.99? You might be able to compete with the CZ's and Tok's then.
     
  3. pauli

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    i'd tend to believe that a handgun chambered in 7.62x25 (or, god forbid, .30 carbine) is, in fact, a substitute for caffeine.
     
  4. cxm

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    7.62x25

    S&B makes a boxer primed 7.62x25 round. It is available through normal channels.

    I belive Winchester also now offers this load in their white box line as well... but it may be the same S&B round packaged in Winchester boxes.

    Rumor has it that because of the production demands of recent military contracts for some 70 million rounds of 5.56x45 ammo, Winchester has contracted with S&B to provide their white box ammo. Can't prove this, but something heard on the street.

    FWIW

    Chuck
     
  5. Black Snowman

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    This isn't nessisarily a bad thing. I've always had good results with S&B. At least comperable to WWB.

    I also have to agree that a lot of the CZ 52s popularity comes from it's low cost. I know I want to pick one up. In fact, right after my Midway USA discount, it's the main reason I bothered getting my C&R FFL.
     
  6. George Hill

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    Still waiting for a 1911 with Jarvis or other match grade barrel chambered for this round.

    I still suspect this round has a great deal more accuracy potential than has been realized.
     
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    I saw a BHP chambered in this at a gunshow not long ago, $1400.00. Give me a CZ52.
     
  8. Devonai

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    I might pay twice or three times that much for a 7.62x25 pistol if:

    1. Speer puts out a Gold Dot load for it.

    2. The pistol has a safety and mag release that are easier to use.

    Both of these reasons are why I sold my CZ52. I can't speak on the Tok, however.

    Oh, and a double-stack mag would be a bonus, too.
     
  9. mfree

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    Shouldn't that just be a barrel/mag change for a 10MM chambered firearm, assuming someone makes the barrel and mag?

    Those two are a lot easier to come up with than an entirely new pistol.... glock 20 in 7.62x25? Would that be a Glock 20T (tokarev)? :D
     
  10. Zundfolge

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    I would LOVE to see a semi-auto carbine in 7.62x25 and I think there would be a market for one considering how many CZ52s and Toks there are out there.

    Downside is they wouldn't be in the $100 range and you couldn't have them shipped on your C&R, but I'd think they would make an excellent plinking/varment/small game carbine. (imagine the extra velocity from a 16" barrell!)


    I'm thinking magazines wouldn't be a problem because you can use the 7.62x25 mags with a 9mm barrell in your CZ52 so maybe you could use 9mm magazines for the 7.62 Tok.



    I'd also like to see some reproduction Broomhandle Mausers that could handle the pressures from the 7.62 Tok.


    EDIT: I wonder if you can find semi auto versions of these lying around?
    http://www.a-human-right.com/RKBA/ppsh.html


    EDIT 2: apparently so http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/Semi.htm
     
  11. dev_null

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    As long as we're wishing, I'd love to see either a Luger or P-38 converted for this round.

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    I'd like to see a double stack in this potent little sucker could be really neat. Personally, I'd like to see it in a full size CZ pistol. 15 rounds in a CZ 75B SA would be awesome. Use the heavier .40 S&W slide or even make a new upper entirely. Be more likely to get Tangfolio to do it, which would be OK I suppose.
     
  13. David4516

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    7.62X25 is a very interesting round and I think it's a shame that there arn't more pistols chambered for it...
     
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    *whew*

    Glad we cleared THAT up! ;)

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    CZ, Tanfoglio, Llama/Firestorm and Armscor come to my mind as able to make more 7.62X25 handguns. The price should be reasonable also. An Armscor 1911 with a carbine conversion would be neat. I'd enjoy a Marlin Camp carbine in 7.62X25 with 30 round magazines, fixed stock and a mercury dead mule.
     
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    Must've been a single shot.

    That would be nice if it was considerably smaller and lighter than an AK.

    I don't think there would be much point in a compact unless you want a .32ACP +P that'll set the target on fire and have the report of a .454 Casull snubnose.
     
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    Well, that 7.62x25 compact may not be as accurate or have the stopping power, but admit it.... when you've got a tongue of fire coming after you and a report that'll put a 44mag to shame, *anyone* on the wrong end would be changing their shorts, hit or not :)

    As for me, I think a Hi-Ppoint carbine in tokarev would be nifty. The trouble with the tok cartridge though is that it's so long.... I don't know the OAL but it's probably 1/2" longer than a 9mm. I'll look it up when I'm feeling less lazy :) I'd wager something that would chamber 9x23/.28 super or 10mm would handle the length, but then you've got 10mm available, with means 9x25 is available, which is like tokarev plus .05" :)
     
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    sure would be neat in a levergun.
     
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    I'd love to see a 7.62x25 target gun.

    Something with a nice ergo angled grip, big adjustable target sights and a nice long sight radius.

    Since I'm making a wish list, I'd also like a 7.62x25 revolver with a 6-8" barrel and adjustable target sights.

    Some match ammo would be just swell also.

    I don't know how iintrinsically accurate this round is (because I've only shot it out of a CZ-52, which is after all, just a combat pistol), but I do know it shoots very flat, being fairly light and fairly speedy.
     
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    I agree that the Tokarev is interesting round and that it would be great to have a modern auto that would fire it. But the CZ-52 apparently has a good design for controlling the recoil. The Tok round in a conventional handgun might be harder to control. I would like to see the 52 modified with a better trigger and better sights. I really like my 1953 CZ-52 but cannot shoot it accurately.

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    hmm, i suppose it would be an ideal revolver round, as the shoulder takes care of headspacing, and the other end is great for moonclips...

    then again, if you want a firebreathing revolver, why not just go for .30 carbine and be done with it?
     
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    I've been giving some thought to a 10 inch contender barrel in 7.62X25. From the fireball my CZ52 throws it seems like the round could utilize a few more inches.
     
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    Interesting comment. Are you referring to the grip angle?
     
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    I too would like to see this in a lever action. How heavy could a HP be for this gun?
     
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    I'd rather have a nice light little semi-auto carbine with about a 16" barrel or less depending on what is the best tradeoff for the round, really don't know that...
     
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