Can't carry at gun shows??????

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At the moment, I live in the Peoples' Republik of New Jersey, (Little Jimmy McGreevey's sand bar - kinda looks like an appendix and is just as useless) but have hopes of escaping to the American Sector within the next two years. However, I do believe that I will avoid gun shows at all costs; they sound just a little scary.
 
I write liability insurance on a few gun shows in the West, and it's a requirment of the insurance carrier. I don't have a stong opinion one way or the other, and find the post above interesting. Having read them, I'm sure the sponsor of the shows is unknowingly breaking the insurance requirements. Stay safe, it's a life changing experience for you and your family to make that one major booboo.
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Here in Michigan, the gun shows I frequent ask you if you are bringing any guns in. I always say yes and produce my weapon. I then ask if I should clear it or if he wants to. 50/50. A zip tie is put through the barrel and the mag goes in my pocket. According to them, it is because of a ND that went into the arm of a man whom, just 10 seconds before, had put his young son down. No matter, I just stop back at the desk after the show and have him cut the tie.
 
Last week at the Richmond show I walked over to the state trooper, removed my concealed gun from under my shirt, removed the bullets in front of him and handed the trooper the gun. He zipped tied it and handed it back to me. I concealed the unloaded weapon once again.
When it was time to leave I walked back over to the state trooper, removed my concealed gun, asked him to remove the zip tie, loaded my gun infront of him, concealed my gun once once again, and walked out the door.
Everything legal on the up and up. No problems encountered.:)
 
As I see it, a major issue is having a safe loading area, which is simply a place with a little elbow room and a safe direction to point the gun (usually down). However, police and Marines and, presumably, soldiers can tell you that with regular loading and unloading, accidents happen.

Off the range, never miss an opportunity NOT to handle a loaded gun.
 
I agree that if I choose to rent a hall and put on a gun show, I'm within my legal rights to ask you not to carry a loaded gun inside. Then you're within your legal rights to tell me to go 'f' myself and spend your money with someone that trusts you with the firearm they are about to sell you.

On the other hand, those of you making the excuse that someone might play with their carry gun and shoot someone, or that there isn't much chance that you'll need your CCW in a gun show are sounding like the typical anti. If you can't be responsible with your carry gun ANYWHERE, then you don't need to be carrying in the first place.

It strikes me as a bunch of BS that when a mall or store doesn't want us to carry there, we protest. But when gun shows and gun stores don't trust us with our legal CHL, we rush in to spend our money.
 
Bill,


On the other hand, those of you making the excuse that someone might play with their carry gun and shoot someone, or that there isn't much chance that you'll need your CCW in a gun show are sounding like the typical anti. If you can't be responsible with your carry gun ANYWHERE, then you don't need to be carrying in the first place.
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I couldn't have said it better myself......
 
I own 15 handguns, 3 long guns, 3 shotguns and a high powered air rifle so it should be obvious to the most casual observer that I am not anti-gun.
I cannot see for the life of me why anyone would get upset because he or she can't carry at a gun show. Even after having heard that in some places it's against the law and even after folks have explained the possibility of insurance issues, some of you hardliners are going to test the rules and carry anyway. WHY? I really want to understand your reasoning. Do you folks carry in bar-rooms and honkey tonks? Why would you? I just can't understand the reasoning behind your statements. I don't believe that show promoters are afraid you might take your gun out and play with it as some of you have alluded to. I believe they are trying to protect themseves from possible lawsuits because some person popped off a negligent discharge. It happens and it is not an unusual occurance.
Last week I bought a shotgun and two boxes of ammo at Wally World. After I showed my hunting license, my driver's license, my CCW license and my retired military ID card and after the clerk called in a backround check on me, I was not permitted to carry the gun or the ammo out of the store, a manager had to walk me to my car and watch me lock them in my cars trunk. Why do you suppose that was? Because stores have been held up and people have been shot by folks who just bought the gun and ammo.
As I said previously, you hard liners who break the rules just because you judge them to be unfair, are the same people who will scream "unfair"at the top of your lungs when government revokes the priveledge for all of us to carry a legally licensed concealed weapon because you broke the rules, just because you wanted to.:banghead:
Please tell me why, I really want to know and don't pop 2cd Amendment rights on me. The 2cd Amendment does not give anyone the right to break the law.:fire:
 
Why?

WHY? I really want to understand your reasoning.
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Read previous posts.

If that's too hard, try this: I drove from/though God knows where to get to this gun show. I have guns or money or both with me, and I consider it prudent to carry one or two concealed. You probably know why. If not, stop here.

I get to the gun show entrance. I get any for-sale or for-show guns tie-wrapped or whatever. IFF there is a safe procedure and place for unloading and later reloading my carry guns, and getting them tie-wrapped and added to my collection of stuff I'm carrying around, I don't have a problem with that. If not, the easiest and SAFEST thing to do is to do nothing - to just leave them where they are and go on about my business.

Ease and safety - those are my interests. Following rules is fine, but let's not get our priorities out of order. Hint: proper priority is probably SAFETY, protection of property, rules, ease.

Hope I'm answering a real question.
 
I do not have a problem with this. I have been to many gun shows, usually my wife and I go on Saturday. About 18 months ago a father and son came to this show on a Sunday and the father in handling a pistol at one of the booths pulled the trigger on a loaded gun and killed his son, proir to that the dealers were allowed to carry loaded. Also there are at least 5 or 6 armed police at most ot these shows. I have never felt unsafe at any time at a gun show, immediatly on leaving the show the mag goes back into the pistol.. ;)
 
KahrKarrier

What is so wrong with Tiberius' statement???

I am really trying to see your side of the story, but I just don't get your argument. Had I known that they no longer allowed concealed weapons at the show, I may not have gone, but why is it ok for a gun show to ban concealed weapons, but not Applebees or Hooters??
 
Well, it's the promotor that's calling the shots (pun not intended) and setting the rules/guideleines. Perhaps it has to do with insurance or liability reasons. It could be that the builing's owner wishes it or that the building is one that disallows firearms carried anyways. (gov't building) Whatever the reason that's how it is. Those NOT adhering to these rules are in my opinion breaking the rules/guidelines setforth for the show and have no business being there. If you can't tuck your ego aside for that short time...:uhoh: Most show's I've attended seem to attract some pretty "wierd" characters. Not saying they're all bad people just some kinda make me wonder - if you know what I mean.;)
I'm sure someone will spout off the ol' "it's my right...2nd amendment... Well, guess what...it's NOT your property and therefore you are expected to adhere to the rules. If you have no intention of this...stay home. It'll only take one incident to possibly mark the end of that show.
I always took the rule as one that is preventative of theft but I suppose it wouldn't be too hard in a crowd for a "bad" person to do a bump-n-grab and make off with that "concealed and secure gun you carried in. In this even, were a stuggle to ensue, the potential for an accidental discharge is fairly high. :what: If "bad" people aren't at these shows (can't buy guns so why be there right?:rolleyes: ) What's the event your arming yourself for?

OK...Flame away! :p
 
Quote: "If you can't be responsible with your carry gun ANYWHERE, then you don't need to be carrying in the first place."

OK, I'd be inclined to agree with that. But, how is the show promoter supposed to know, when there are thousands of people coming though the door, who the responsible folks are and who is NOT?

Quote: "but why is it ok for a gun show to ban concealed weapons, but not Applebees or Hooters?? "

At least in Texas, private property owners have the absolute right to determine who does what own property they own. This right may be extended to groups who rent or lease property. Private property owners such as Applebees or Hooters could also prohibit - if they so chose. If they do and we don't like it, we can simply choose not to go there. Their sandbox, their rules.
 
KahrKarrier:
TIBERIUS, I can't believe you said that.----Jed
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KK, I don't want to put words in your mouth so I too would appreciate it if you could tell me why you "can't believe said..."
If it's safe for there to be "armed police" why do you feel it is NOT safe for there to be armed citizens?
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I meant it as a serious question.

For the record, regarding the actual thread topic, I personally believe that CCW's should be allowed EVERYWHERE and shoud only be exposed if they are about to be used. However, most gunshows around here require that all guns be unloaded, so I respect their wishes and the law where it applies. I DO understand their safety and liability concerns.
 
I, too, don't mind not having direct possession of my weapon while at a gun show. It is the promoter's right to set the rules (even if he's doing so at the instance of his insurance carrier), no less so than a restaurant owner may refuse you entrance based simply on the clothes that you're wearing. Your Second Amendment rights end where my Private Property rights begin. If you can't live with the promoter's rules, then do your shopping elsewhere. Speaking of which, there are plenty of places to find everything you'll see at a gun show right here on the internet. You might even find a better price.:D
 
"Anyway, "somehow" a round got loaded into the thing, and "somehow" one idiot pulled the trigger. The bullet fragmented on a table leg or something and the other idiot was hit in the thigh by shrapnel of some sort."

Why was the "other idiot" an idiot? Did he/she do something you didn't state in your article? Just curious.
 
HadEmAll-

"Anyway, "somehow" a round got loaded into the thing, and "somehow" one idiot pulled the trigger. The bullet fragmented on a table leg or something and the other idiot was hit in the thigh by shrapnel of some sort."

Why was the "other idiot" an idiot? Did he/she do something you didn't state in your article? Just curious.
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Actually, that was a paraphrase of what one of the security people told me at the time - that two vendors were mutually handling the gun, and one fired it and the other was the one hit by shrapnel.

Later reports are that the victim may have been an innocent bystander, so I'll retratct that "idiot" designation :uhoh:

But there were at least two people involved in the bad handling which led to the incident, and I'll stand by THEM being "idiots." :scrutiny: :D
 
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