Cap and Ball and personal defence.

[kBob]

How hard would it be to cut extra cylinder notches in a revolver like the Manhatten revolvers?

It seems a pistol so locked between chambers would be as secure as one with the hammer down on an empty chamber.

When I used to use a Ruger New Model Blackhawk as a car gun I kept the hammer down on a loaded chamber and the next one up empty in case a passenger found the gun and played with it. I actually lived to snatch it away from a college student that then wondered why he had been struck and was suddenly without a ride. Actually pointed it at me, cocked it, and said "this looks almost real!" I had unlocked his side of the car and in the time it took for me to walk around the little %$^@# had opened the glove box and fished out the BH.

-kBob

 

[Foto Joe]

I used the Keith
255 gr SWC and 37 grs of DuPont FFF. This was far better than 8 grs Unique.

Yikes Phil, have you ever regained the use of your shooting hand again??

A few years ago when I got into loading BP cartridge I loaded up some as close to mil-spec 45 Colt rounds. Those things HURT, I've still got a couple dozen in a gun belt and no desire to salvage that brass.

 

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What I used to shoot would scare the hell out of you. My main powder back in the 60's was "2400" I won't tell you the charge, let's just say they clocked
1400 in that short barrel Ruger. There wasn't any air space between bullet and
powder. But this is a black powder Fourm. Nuff said. I did clock the factory at
780, And 37 grs DuPont went 900.

Note, Danger! Don't try this in your gun. Mine was heat treated to withstand the tremendous
Increase in pressure. This will take apart a Colt, or clone along with your hand!

 

[Smokin'Joe]

How hard would it be to cut extra cylinder notches in a revolver like the Manhatten revolvers?

I have done it and it works great. Take a look:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=633020

 

[Malamute]

Originally posted by Foto Joe
Quote:
Originally Posted by [email protected]
I used the Keith
255 gr SWC and 37 grs of DuPont FFF. This was far better than 8 grs Unique.

Yikes Phil, have you ever regained the use of your shooting hand again??

A few years ago when I got into loading BP cartridge I loaded up some as close to mil-spec 45 Colt rounds. Those things HURT, I've still got a couple dozen in a gun belt and no desire to salvage that brass.

What? Black powder level 45 Colt loads hurt your hand? That's just starting level for doing much with a 45 Colt.

8 1/5 grs Unique is the old factory equivalent load, they clock about 925 fps in my 4 5/8" Ruger. The 22 grs 2400/225 gr are a bit more brisk but don't hurt. The H-110/325 grs at about 1250 fps get your attention, but don't hurt either, unless shooting one handed and rapping the knuckles on the trigger guard. Ruger loads, for those that missed it the first time.

 

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My old Ruger I bought new in 1971 or 72. 37 grs Goex FFF

 

[bubba15301]

this thread is starting to stray

 

[jaxenro]

There are many reasons to use a black powder revolver for self defense, I know everyone (almost) says more modern guns but in many countries and some places in the US modem pistols are harder to come by and BP revolvers are often not treated as firearms. So if we ignore the "modern is better" argument what can be done load wise, powder wise, modification wise to make themore effective and reliable?

 

[RPRNY]

The weak link in the cap'n ball revolver is the cap. Provided you have reliable caps that fit well, a 200 gr conical at 800 fps will pass through any unarmored human at pistol shot distance making a honking great hole. 140 gr RB may not pass through but will tear a nasty great hole as well. Reloading is a bitch any way you cut it, but changing out a cylinder in an 1858 Remington or even an R&S can be fairly rapid.

72 grs in that ROA is pretty staunch!

 

[tembotusk]

Trying to keep in the spirit of the thread; would a conversion 1851 or other make or model result in making the revolver more reliable and easier to use?

I believe my cap and ball is extremely reliable, however I would consider my conversion model to be the best of both worlds. a very cool hand gun and reliable.

 

[BullSlinger]

With proper load and reliable caps the BP revolver will do a good job. I would not worry about reloading; If six shots is not enough I am in deep doo-doo and reloading would not help.

 

[Crawdad1]

I don't carry it around in a holster but keep it in my home, but that's exactly what I do with my 1860 Army and have done since they started making these conversions. I shoot loose powder and ball for hunting and target shooting and after cleaning I put the conversion cylinder in with the hammer resting on an empty chamber and use it for self defense in my house and on my property. You just can't beat that combination for the price.


But if you want or need to carry something I would get that pistol Coupe has, a 62 Police.

 

[tembotusk]

But if you want or need to to carry it I would get that pistol Coupe has, a 62 Police.

I love my 62 Navy! It really packs a punch!! Just wish they made a conversion cylinder for it. Funny thing is, "back in the day", they converted 62s to cartridge.

 

[Crawdad1]

Oh, you have one of those sleek 62 Navys!!!!! SWEEET!!!!!

 

[MrMarty51]

I keep 2 extra cylinders loaded and ready to go. I carry that 36 Remington clone revolver in My pickup for road trips.

 

[tembotusk]

A couple of pictures of my '62 Navy. I would like to find a shorter barrel. I think they look and handle better as a Sheriff's model. And again, shame we can’t get a conversion for them.

 

[swathdiver]

I would not worry about reloading; If six shots is not enough I am in deep doo-doo and reloading would not help.

In most cases you'll only need one or two shots per bad guy. Soft lead takes all the fight of them right quick.

 

[44 Dave]

"Two shots two seconds two feet."

 

[whughett]

RPRNY:

"Quote" 72 grs in that ROA is pretty staunch!

Ya that sure would be a hot load................ but it is 37grains. I use thirty with a rb. With the REAL bullet all I can get in is 25 under a lubed wad.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Smokin'Joe - nice job, especially since it was done with dremel & files. I was thinking of a mill set up and a fly cutter

 

[rodwha]

tembo: Taylor's offers a 4.5" barrel for the Navy version, and a 3.5" (w/o loading lever) and 4.5" Police version barrels for the '62. It's something I've been mulling over.

A 6.5" Police or Navy pistol with a 3.5" or 4.5" Police barrel for actual pocket carry, or just get a Cimarron 4.5" Police and call it a day. I like the Navy barrel assembly, but the Police cylinder.

 

[tembotusk]

Rodwha, Thanks for that information!!

I just left their site ... my CC is not safe! I see a short barrel in my future! If only they made a conversion cylinder for the '62.

 

[ofitg]

I bought one a few weeks ago (haven't even shot it yet). A local smith chopped off the barrel to 2-1/2", it is truly pocket-sized.... a scaled-down "Avenging Angel".....

 

[rodwha]

Very nice!

 

[jaxenro]

I have a 5.5 ASM 1862 Navy (or 1865 depending on what you want to call it) that I like to keep by most often. It is making the rounds now, started with Treso nipples to use #11 caps, then sent to have a front site base dovetailed in, then off to someone else who is doing practically everything to it including things I can't explain to hand fit and tune the action, add a hammer stop, add a mod to keep the caps from jamming, plus fire blued all the screws. I usually shoot it with a flat nose Kaido 130 grain bullet and 20 grains of triple-7. I don't have a chronograph so I can't tell what it's doing but it sure seems to hit hard. It's the one gun I tend to keep with me most of the time (except lately when it's being worked on). I like the longer 5.5 barel over the snubby's for accuracy and aiming but I'd bet within 30 feet or so I could put 5 for 5 within a persons chest or belly without aiming at all.

I have (at the moment) six or so other cap and ball revolvers but this one combines a handy size with a punch