Cap and ball concealed carry?

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Here's the kit ".44 Navy", as it arrived from Dixie. The order time was much quicker than expected: less than a week! You can see a large burr on the top of the frame at the rear of the cylinder. You can also see that I will need to clean up the rest of the steel frame. The grips are oversized, and the brass grip frame is still fairly rough, so I get to smooth up that part as well. On the other hand, timing seems spot-on, and lockup at full cock is dang near perfect. I'm impressed, and I'm truly looking forward to working on this project pistol!

I also have to say that I've had very good service from Dixie Gun Works over the years. I continue to be a happy customer of theirs. I also like Taylor's & Co. and ordered my spare parts for the Pietta 1851 from them.
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Buuuut in all seriousness...the .36 is nothing to scoff at. It can have the umph of a .44 . for instance take a conical that is about 140 grains..such as the kaido conical...and have a wide flat meplat and place it over 20-25 grains of energetic powder such as Swiss, 777, or old Eynseford and you have one hard hitting combination. Heres a video i love showing people that will show what the .36 is capable of with the combination mentioned earlier. Enjoy!
 
I know Colt .36/.44 cal guns are fun to shoot, and are historically correct; but I will stick with my 1858 Remington. I have used all kinds of modern weaponry during my 29 going on 30 years in the Navy, and when I finally was able to get a C&B revolver I gave my modern guns to my Wife. Kayla wanted them in the worst way to go with her other 2 and I was happy to do it. I will carry my .44 C&B in my holster when back in AZ for good. Boots, spurs, hat, and all. Like most said here, if you are confident in your weapon - carry it. I have seen what a .44 C&B revolver will do with a round ball. I have taken my cylinder capped, not loaded of course, and tossed it around - not a cap came loose. I did put it through the ringer too. I have been taught well how to hit center mass and trained by the best of the best. I am totally confident in my 1858 Remington Sherrif model and will always have it near me. Thank you for letting me go on about this, and all have a blessed day! Don
 
Don Van Winkle said:
I know Colt .36/.44 cal guns are fun to shoot, and are historically correct; but I will stick with my 1858 Remington. I have used all kinds of modern weaponry during my 29 going on 30 years in the Navy, and when I finally was able to get a C&B revolver I gave my modern guns to my Wife. Kayla wanted them in the worst way to go with her other 2 and I was happy to do it. I will carry my .44 C&B in my holster when back in AZ for good. Boots, spurs, hat, and all. Like most said here, if you are confident in your weapon - carry it. I have seen what a .44 C&B revolver will do with a round ball. I have taken my cylinder capped, not loaded of course, and tossed it around - not a cap came loose. I did put it through the ringer too. I have been taught well how to hit center mass and trained by the best of the best. I am totally confident in my 1858 Remington Sherrif model and will always have it near me. Thank you for letting me go on about this, and all have a blessed day! Don
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Nothing wrong with your decision!! They work very well with 45C conversion cyls as well (probably better!)! I would recommend a 6 shot cyl though (rather than a. 5 shot), this will allow you to keep it a "convertible" revolver. The 6 to 5 back to 6 can be a little "sketchy" . . . depending on how mechanically accurate you want the Remie to be.

Mike
 
troy fairweather said:
Anyone conceal carry any bp revolvers, things around my parts are stating to get crazy. people about started a riot today in shoprite. would a short barrel rem 1858 army would work.
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Any reason you can't carry a cartridge firearm? :uhoh: ;)

Seriously, they are a hassle to do so with. I did 'experiment' with carrying an 1849 concealed, (on private property, I was too young for a CCW at the time) the main concern was coming up with something to hold the darn thing. I ended up using a generic RH leather revolver holster, (a Hunter brand with the snap-around loop) worn IWB on the left side, crossdraw. It was not very concealed, and because it was a 6" looked like I had a weird growth on my left hip when I sat down.
 
entropy said:
Arcticap, I thought he was a little more outstate than that.
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Ok, what difference would it make? The topic is still "cap and ball for concealed carry" . . . to which " a cartridge gun would be a better choice " has absolutely nothing to do with the topic! It's not anybody's business why, it's a freekin question for crying out loud!!
It would be like me asking you if you have diarrhea, gonorrhea, syphillis, irritable bowel, herpes, toenail fungus, leaky gut, . . . lol! it's nobody's business!! This is supposed to be "The High Road" and you'd think "manners " would be some of a part of it! Apparently not . . .

Mike
 
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Mike...i actually have diarrhea lol, i ate waaaaay too many extra hot wings...not that you asked though. Lol But in all seriousness i feel a cap and ball gun is a great defensive weapon. Sure they can jam etc..but if you do your part and work on them and get familiar with the gun...then it will go boom everytime you want it to. These guns are about 90-95% done...some need no work to be reliable 99.9% of the time. Thats the beauty of these guns...usually you have to invest your time into them and you usually end up building an attachment and knowing its unique quirks and personality
 
45 Dragoon said:
Ok, what difference would it make? The topic is still "cap and ball for concealed carry" . . . to which " a cartridge gun would be a better choice " has absolutely nothing to do with the topic! It's not anybody's business why, it's a freekin question for crying out loud!!
It would be like me asking you if you have diarrhea, gonorrhea, syphillis, irritable bowel, herpes, toenail fungus, leaky gut, . . . lol! it's nobody's business!! This is supposed to be "The High Road" and you'd think "manners " would be some of a part of it! Apparently not . . .

Mike
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Did you see the winking smilie? ;) That meant it was typed tongue-in-cheek. I know there's no 'reason', and he does have a pretty good sense of humor. And I do have some of those ailments.
 
There is a series of traditional British mystery novels featuring a Scottish gunsmith. At least that is his day job, like all of these books and movies, he is really a detective. When he feels a need to go armed, he loads up a flintlock so he doesn't have to take out a modern gun listed on his firearms certificate.
 
Anyone mess with glueing caps on. I have some of that clear gorilla glue I'd like to try it is the worst glue I've ever used but it does stay soft and rubbery when dry.
 
I'm still looking to get a short barrel 1858 remie. I think that's the best chance for working. With all the stuff going on the last few months this maybe the only thing some people can get there hands one.
 
Gluing caps on? Nope never glued percussion caps on...never had to actually. Im particular about my nipple and cap set up so i change out my nipples to slixshots and use Remington 10s and 11s only...but when it comes to home made caps made from corrosive primers then i change to stock pietta nipples...although their stainless nipples are pretty good quality although only fit Remington #10s. Also for homemade caps i use the RMC stainless nipples...they are great quality as well but are so small they only fit homemade caps or CCI #10s. If you have a good nipple to cap fitment there would be no need for waterproofing with waxes or glues etc...but i have heard of folks pouring melted wax to seal the caps on the nipples...so im curious if your glue idea would work
 
TheOutlawKid said:
Gluing caps on? Nope never glued percussion caps on...never had to actually. Im particular about my nipple and cap set up so i change out my nipples to slixshots and use Remington 10s and 11s only...but when it comes to home made caps made from corrosive primers then i change to stock pietta nipples...although their stainless nipples are pretty good quality although only fit Remington #10s. Also for homemade caps i use the RMC stainless nipples...they are great quality as well but are so small they only fit homemade caps or CCI #10s. If you have a good nipple to cap fitment there would be no need for waterproofing with waxes or glues etc...but i have heard of folks pouring melted wax to seal the caps on the nipples...so im curious if your glue idea would work
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I'll try it and see if they stick, I've never had problems with them staying but some shooters act like it's not possible. I would think the rubbery glue would blow away so getting them off should e easy. I have that underhammer the caps fit good but it's just hanging ready to call off, .
 
troy fairweather said:
Anyone mess with glueing caps on. I have some of that clear gorilla glue I'd like to try it is the worst glue I've ever used but it does stay soft and rubbery when dry.
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Fingernail polish has been mentioned in the past, but someone needs to test the clear Gorilla glue.

Beach-Crow posted:
I use my Walker with packed 40 grains of pyrodex topped with two balls. I have the caps sealed with fingernail polish to prevent any danger of hang-fires. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...d-for-self-defense.584788/page-2#post-7220778

MCgunner posted:
I recently ran an experiment. I loaded 2 cylinders, one with wax over ball and nipples, one with clear fingernail polish over nipple and ball. I let them sit up 3 months in the garage. The wax hangfired a couple, but all fired. The nail polish fired with no hangfires.

Now, I live in Corpus Christi and it's humid all year down here, just as hot and humid ans Florida. I did this in the fall, started about early November, shot 'em out early February. I've decided that if I were to rely on a cap and ball (don't have to, have modern firearms) I would do BOTH nail polish, then wax just the nipples. Why? Well, on my navy, the wax did keep the caps from falling into the hammer after firing. That's a pretty good deal right there as this is a hazard with open tops. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/bp-defense-gun-question.651915/page-3#post-8076840
 
arcticap said:
Fingernail polish has been mentioned in the past, but someone needs to test the clear Gorilla glue.

Beach-Crow posted:
I use my Walker with packed 40 grains of pyrodex topped with two balls. I have the caps sealed with fingernail polish to prevent any danger of hang-fires. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...d-for-self-defense.584788/page-2#post-7220778

MCgunner posted:
I recently ran an experiment. I loaded 2 cylinders, one with wax over ball and nipples, one with clear fingernail polish over nipple and ball. I let them sit up 3 months in the garage. The wax hangfired a couple, but all fired. The nail polish fired with no hangfires.

Now, I live in Corpus Christi and it's humid all year down here, just as hot and humid ans Florida. I did this in the fall, started about early November, shot 'em out early February. I've decided that if I were to rely on a cap and ball (don't have to, have modern firearms) I would do BOTH nail polish, then wax just the nipples. Why? Well, on my navy, the wax did keep the caps from falling into the hammer after firing. That's a pretty good deal right there as this is a hazard with open tops. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/bp-defense-gun-question.651915/page-3#post-8076840
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Ya I'll try the clear gorilla glue, I need to see my cousin and see if she saved me any bee's wax.
 
TheOutlawKid said:
Mike...i actually have diarrhea lol, i ate waaaaay too many extra hot wings...not that you asked though.
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I totally understand, but Nuclear sauce is by far the best!!!

entropy said:
Did you see the winking smilie? ;)
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Yes but still, asking a point blank question like that isn't polit in the least!! (Especially on a public forum!) Kidding or not it draws "focus" . . . making the accused feel obligated to reply no matter . . . intended or not ( sort of like a backhanded slap). Manners !!!

Mike
 
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Ok I tested the clear gorilla glue, works great. My Remington no.10 fit nice on the nipple on the h&a underhammer. Before I glued it I pushed one on tight, it took some prying with my knife to remove it. Then I put just a tiny bit of glue on the edge of the cap then seated like before.

I have the glue over a hour to set, tho the stuff works pretty fast it's very sticky glue as well. I did the same with my knife and it didn't move, I fired the cap with out any hang fire. The cap split and came right off, and didn't leave any glue on the nipple.

I'm going to try it out in the field for small game, those rubber rings look nice probably could go to the auto parts place and get some tubing to make your own.
 
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