Cap dragging?

[Panzerschwein]

Hello friends, well I sent an E-mail to the people who make SliX-Shot nipples and this is was their reply:

Received your email and thank you for choosing Slix-shot nipples.
Since you are shooting 36's 20 grains of 3fff is too hot. Reduce your charge to around 15-16 gr.
our nipples are designed for lighter charges and lighter hammer spring.
When you use a full charge the blow back on the nipple is to much thus the cap separates and possible fall into the gun or as you mentioned hang the pistol up making it hard to rotate.
The 2 small holes on the nipple allows for the reduced hammer pressure.
I personally shoot 1862 police 36 cal pistols and found once I reduced my charge the caps did not blow off, but they either came off when I rotated the cyl or stayed on the nipple.
Hope this helps!
Best regards,
Big iron Buster
Slix- shot nipples
TK4B Enterprises

I originally told them of my woes, explaining how I was using 20 grain charges of GOEX FFFG and Remington #10 caps. As you can see, they said my charges were too much and that these nipples were designed for lighter charges and lighter mainsprings. Nowhere on the SliX-Shot product page does it mention this.

So, I've decided to do what I should have done from the beginning... I've reinstalled the virgin Uberti factory nipples on my '51 Navy and will see how those run on the range this Saturday afternoon. I will be using my stock of Remington #10 caps. Anybody know if Uberti nipples like Remington #10s?

Thanks guys for all the help so far. I'll see if I have any issues when I go to the range.

-Cooldill

 

[44 Dave]

My '51 is a Pietta, and 18 grs. and a felt wad is the minim charge the ram will still compress.
I wouldn't shoot 15 and have to add breakfast cereal when I just want to ring steal

 

[Willie Sutton]

"So, I've decided to do what I should have done from the beginning... "


Bought a set of Treso's?


Willie

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[Panzerschwein]

"So, I've decided to do what I should have done from the beginning... "


Bought a set of Treso's?


Willie

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Willie:

I have about 500 Remington #10 caps that I'd like to see work first LOL! I've read that the Treso's are designed for #11 caps, I'm not sure which brand.

Will Tresos work with Remington #10s?

 

[45 Dragoon]

With a cap post you can shoot as hot as ya want and still use the hammer slot on a safty pin.
With an action job and bedding /fixing the arbor length, your gun will prob last a lifetime.

 

[Crawdad1]

Hello friends, well I sent an E-mail to the people who make SliX-Shot nipples and this is was their reply:


Quote:
Received your email and thank you for choosing Slix-shot nipples.
Since you are shooting 36's 20 grains of 3fff is too hot. Reduce your charge to around 15-16 gr.
our nipples are designed for lighter charges and lighter hammer spring.
When you use a full charge the blow back on the nipple is to much thus the cap separates and possible fall into the gun or as you mentioned hang the pistol up making it hard to rotate.
The 2 small holes on the nipple allows for the reduced hammer pressure.
I personally shoot 1862 police 36 cal pistols and found once I reduced my charge the caps did not blow off, but they either came off when I rotated the cyl or stayed on the nipple.
Hope this helps!
Best regards,
Big iron Buster
Slix- shot nipples
TK4B Enterprises

I originally told them of my woes, explaining how I was using 20 grain charges of GOEX FFFG and Remington #10 caps. As you can see, they said my charges were too much and that these nipples were designed for lighter charges and lighter mainsprings. Nowhere on the SliX-Shot product page does it mention this.

So, I've decided to do what I should have done from the beginning... I've reinstalled the virgin Uberti factory nipples on my '51 Navy and will see how those run on the range this Saturday afternoon. I will be using my stock of Remington #10 caps. Anybody know if Uberti nipples like Remington #10s?

Thanks guys for all the help so far. I'll see if I have any issues when I go to the range.

-Cooldill

WHAT??????? Designed for light loads only. Cooldill, take those #10 caps in your right hand and throw them as far as you can or save them for another pistol down the road. As Will and Dragoon and others have posted get the other aftermarket nipples for your 51' and number 11 caps and go at it. The money you were going to spend on another pistol you can use to get that 51' running right.

 

[Willie Sutton]

"I have about 500 Remington #10 caps that I'd like to see work first LOL!"


Good luck....

Find someone who wants them, give them away, grab some Treso nipples and some #11 Remington caps, and enjoy. Learn to cock with the wrist-roll and you'll be in business.

If you have a cap rake added (or add one yourself) and use good nipples you will end the problem.




Lessons to consider:

1: Ask the old timers before buying stuff. There's a reason Treso nipples are the choice.

2: Never buy caps in quantity until you are sure they fit your nipples correctly.

3: Don't expect Glock-Like reliability out of these things out of the box.



Remember that what you have is an obsolete mechanical design cheaply made in Italy (by
Uberti)... not a modern revolver. Think of it as a working kit, requiring further assembly. That's what makes this a hobby.




Willie

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[Crawdad1]

Great advice as always Will!!!!

And remember Cooldill, you have 45 Dragoon on this board and his email address.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Wow, thanks again Crawdad1 !!!

 

[Panzerschwein]

Great advice as always Will!!!!

And remember Cooldill, you have 45 Dragoon on this board and his email address.

Awesome! Thanks guys.

I'll try what Willie said with the Treso nipples and Remington #11s first.

If no luck, 45 Dragoon will have some business coming his way.

 

[Crawdad1]

Like my Dad always said, "Take care of the people that take care of you."

 

[EljaySL]

I have about 500 Remington #10 caps that I'd like to see work first LOL! I've read that the Treso's are designed for #11 caps, I'm not sure which brand.

Will Tresos work with Remington #10s?

They should. The Remington #10s are longer than the #11s but basically the same diameter. CCI #11s are about the same diameter as all of those. #10s are smaller. There's a table, perhaps somebody will post it.

You may as well try the factory nipples. The big problem is that they can be inconsistent (even on the same gun) and since the nipples are tapered instead of square they'll kind of sort of fit everything... but not well. Since you have the longer caps you might have to get a bit of a wooden dowel and push down and really make sure the caps are set all the way down or they won't go off.

 

[BHP FAN]

I think the factory nipples are just fine. Shoot with them, and I think you'll find they work. I think if it's not broke, don't fix it. If you find they don't work, then buy Tresos. Remington #10's and CCI #11's usually fit about the same, so I very much doubt that your caps are the problem. Remington #10 caps have been my favorite for percussion revolvers for years.

 

[Panzerschwein]

I think the factory nipples are just fine. Shoot with them, and I think you'll find they work. I think if it's not broke, don't fix it. If you find they don't work, then buy Tresos. Remington #10's and CCI #11's usually fit about the same, so I very much doubt that your caps are the problem. Remington #10 caps have been my favorite for percussion revolvers for years.

Thats what I'm hoping! I'll try my stock Uberti nipples on my '51 Navy with Remington #10 caps on Saturday. Hopefully everything will work out okay! I'd rather not have to get a new set on nipples etc.!

 

[BHP FAN]

I think you'll be fine. Thousands of these are in use, and they are not all ''race modified''. I had an old ''Richland Arms'' [actually an early Uberti, I believe] Remmie and I think every one of it's nipples was a different size. Nowadays quality control is a lot better.

 

[dickydalton]

Thanks Crawdad !!
He can email me at [email protected]


Btw, stay away from a stronger main spring! It just makes your gun less fun to handel, harder to manipulate and bad for the nipples (if there is contact). Actually, with a cap post (rake to some), it can have a very light action and be a much more fun handeling gun!! Brushhippie couldn't have fanned the '51 if it had a monster main spring !!!

I'm gonna tell Brushhippie that you said he's weak! heh heh...

 

[45 Dragoon]

HAA!!!!!

Well . . . . . just his thumb !!!!!

 

[Willie Sutton]

Thats what I'm hoping! I'll try my stock Uberti nipples on my '51 Navy with Remington #10 caps on Saturday. Hopefully everything will work out okay! I'd rather not have to get a new set on nipples etc.!

You really ought to be OK with them. I shot stock nipples for years before I picked up a pair of Uberti 1860's that had been match-prepared with Treso nipples, cap rakes, adjusted arbors, and lightened Wolff springs. That combination of mods transformed them from good shooters into precision machines. But in stock configuration I never had any problem with Uberti stock nipples. Just use a cap-pushing dowel to seat them and you'll do fine. They like a good solid push onto the nipples to seat them. And learn the wrist-roll sideways to the right as you cock them and most of the inevitable cap fragments will fall to the side and not down into the hammer.


Willie

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[BCRider]

Learning to roll the hand over to the right will also help any shards to fall outside of your hand. It's not much fun to have hot shards fall down between your palm and the grips. I found that it makes my eyes sweat...

Shards from caps are going to happen just like rain, death and taxes. All those things mentioned might make it less likely but you're still going to have petals snap off and fall away. Well, unless you go to such a light load that they barely puff out at all.

 

[kituwa]

There does not seem to be much talk about cap problems in history on colt guns.I think the reason we do now is that our caps now days are made from brass and the older caps were copper and they did not blow apart like they do now.Those of us that remember shooting cap and ball guns 30 years ago, you had to pick most of the caps off of the nipples. Pretty sure if the caps had been as much of a problem back in the 1800's that Mr Colt would have fixed that way back then.

 

[Panzerschwein]

There does not seem to be much talk about cap problems in history on colt guns.I think the reason we do now is that our caps now days are made from brass and the older caps were copper and they did not blow apart like they do now.Those of us that remember shooting cap and ball guns 30 years ago, you had to pick most of the caps off of the nipples. Pretty sure if the caps had been as much of a problem back in the 1800's that Mr Colt would have fixed that way back then.

Yeah I agree! At the present time, I wouldn't conceavably think about going into combat with the way my Navy handles caps.

 

[Skinny 1950]

Modern caps are Mercury free and don't have a foil lining like the caps of old, in my humble opinion they are way too powerful and this is causing most if not all the problems that we as shooters are having.
I tried toy caps on my '51 Navy and they worked every time and they stayed on the nipples but they are dangerous..had one go off when I was capping in the half cock position. Fortunately the gun was pointed down range and the ball didn't hit anyone but it sliced a big chunk of lead off which dropped on the bench, it also hurt my thumb which I was using to push the cap on.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Be careful there!!! Toy caps are dangerous!!