Capacity Home Defense Shotgun

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You are imagining that after unleashing 2 blasts from a 12ga shotgun, people anywhere nearby are going to have sufficient remaining hearing such that they could potentially hear a pump shotgun slide slamming home?
I think he was saying that he would not alert the perps by racking the slide before firing.

Serious? Regardless of the intent, it is silly. One's lawful objective is not to stage an ambush.

The poster envisions hiding behind the bed and shooting at appoaching home invaders. That would work, if the defenders were able to reach that point timely and wait.

For many of us, that is an unrealistic scenario.
 
Whatever "works" for you.

Until in the situation, you will never know.

Studying real world occurrences gives some insight.

Study your layout and develop your plan.
A perp(s) entering a locked home, in the middle of the night, is not there to check on your car's extended warranty.
A world famous trauma surgeon / gun shot expert recommends a shotgun full of #5 shot and handgun backup; gets my attention.
Wife to shelter in place, muffs with phone, shotgun and pistol. The older I get, the more likely I will be sheltered in place. Let 6# Chihuahua "warn" azzhats and 2 bulldogs clear the house.

That's our plan and we're sticking to it.
Hopefully, never to test it.
 
Racking for sound effects is stupid. You keep the gun 'unracked' for safety reasons. When you pick up the gun because of a threat, you rack it. You do not wait to do this for movie or TV posturing, to scare someone. If they hear it or not, is irrelevant.

About ambushing - there is a school of thought, that one should immediately and loudly yell to GET OUT, I AM ARMED, The Police are on the way.

You may say that you will tell them to get on the ground. Why? You want to survive and if they leave that's just fine.

If they leave, that is much preferred to picking up pieces of bad guys from the walls and floor. Now, when you yell, you should be behind cover or at least concealment. You are not standing there like a posturing fool. BTW, you can loose the gun fight despite your prowess.
 
I have a old 12ga 1200 Winchester that’s modified a bit. It hangs behind a bedroom door loaded with 16 Aguila buckshot mini shells, each shell has 7 #4 & 4 #1 buckshot. Reason I went with the mini shells is the fact the wife can easily handle shooting it & she’s practiced emptying it out on B27 silhouettes & shredded them. They are small shells but I would not want to be on the business end of them.
 
This thread is almost as entertaining as an "are you good with carrying a 5-shot J-frame or do you go with a doublestack 9mm?" I like nine rounds of 00-buck, but for home defense I'm grabbing a M4 with a WML and EOTech)
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Not sure if serious. You are imagining that after unleashing 2 blasts from a 12ga shotgun, people anywhere nearby are going to have sufficient remaining hearing such that they could potentially hear a pump shotgun slide slamming home? I've read a lot of incident reports and have yet to see one where a home invader was wearing earpro. Most defenders aren't either. A single pop from any shotgun is going to make hearing anything at all difficult for several minutes at least, for the shooter and for any nearby attackers.

An important point. In addition to a firearm you know how to use well. Two other important items to consider are good sound amplifying earmuffs and a bright flashlight.
 
I have a old 12ga 1200 Winchester that’s modified a bit. It hangs behind a bedroom door

Our bedroom is upstairs. We are usually downstairs. We are probably in different rooms most of the time. There are five possible points of ingress into the downstairs. A person entering any of them would probably prevent our going upstairs. It is unlikely that a long arm "hanging" anywhere would be of much use to us.
 
1. Sheltering in place in bedroom, betide bed is as stated above; intruder entering at night. IE, we are in bedroom, in bed, and awakened. Pretty simple. SxS loaded. Earmuffs and 1911 on night stand.
2. Very difficult for Wife or anyone to rack a SxS.
3. If we aren't in bed, totally different situation. Awoke, alert, and 1911 on belt. Front door stays locked, at all times. 2 bulldogs near, at all times. Nobody can step on porch without Chihuahua alerting and bulldogs going to the door.
 
Tactical?

Very much so.

Wife has gone to bed early. I enter quietly and have been bitten. Have no idea where the dog came from.

Opposite circumstance, I am asleep, Wife comes in and has gotten bit.

We enter talking.
 
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Which one - the overpriced Italian, or the AR? :rofl:
Now that you mention it, if I could find one of those overpriced Italian M-4s, I'd scoop it up in a heartbeat. But I'd still elect the AR for the home defense role. As a back-up to the two German Shepherd Dogs and the one p.o.'ed wife who doesn't like surprises nor anyone messing up her kitchen...

And why do people always refer to what some trauma surgeon says? (They only see the guys that survive the trip to the ER)
 
What capacity do you all think is appropriate for a house gun? I have an 870 Police Magnum with a +1 extension bringing total capacity to 5+1. I also have a sidesaddle with 6 on the side and practice reloading the chamber one at a time and also topping off the tube. I feel pretty good with it but don't know if 5 in the fully loaded tube is considered enough rounds.
Depends if you are doing the shooting or the receiving. That side saddle thing is not very useful IMHO.
 
Now that you mention it, if I could find one of those overpriced Italian M-4s, I'd scoop it up in a heartbeat. But I'd still elect the AR for the home defense role. As a back-up to the two German Shepherd Dogs and the one p.o.'ed wife who doesn't like surprises nor anyone messing up her kitchen...

And why do people always refer to what some trauma surgeon says? (They only see the guys that survive the trip to the ER)

Not all survive.

The survivors were shot with 7 1/2s or 00.

They see lots of gunshots and the damage done.

Dr Duke seen ALL gsw, not just survivors.

Police / military actions are more likely to involve longer ranges.
 
It all depends on your situation. I'm a bit surprised that the moderators on a shotgun thread here on THR would dump on shotguns the way they seem to be.

I live in a pretty rural area, and crime is not big here thankfully. But I am aware that there are bad actors everywhere, and also, people travel. More likely here is problem bears. They have killed my livestock more than once and are known to occasionally break into homes. They are black bears, but where I am can get quite large, as do the deer and the coyote here.

I've got several arms to choose from including modern semi-autos (ARs etc), and during the day generally have a handgun nearby when I'm just doing whatever, but the long gun I run to if there is trouble always seems to be my 870 deerhunter-style smoothbore 12 ga. with an extended tube that I've had for decades. It's slim and pretty easy to stash unobtrusively with a trigger lock, and the manual of arms is baked into my brain at this point. And while I am quite fond of the Remington at this point, in the unlikely event it was stolen it wouldn't be the end of the world. Those are all attributes that are pros for a more urban or suburban dweller too I'd think, as well as the awesome power of the twelve gauge round at close range in just about any loading.

The hunting 870 isn't necessarily ideal for defensive use, and in fact I recently acquired a 1301 tactical, but my point is there are a lot of great reasons to pick a shotgun for home defense. It depends on where the home is and what you're likely to defend against, and what you're comfortable with.

Now as to the capacity question I'm trying to decide whether to get the extended tube setup for my new 1301. Hard to find at the moment and kind of expensive. Unfortunately I got mine just before Beretta introduced the new model, but I can't say I'm regretting the purchase.

Maybe a leather bandoleer. (kidding)
 
That 1% will get you maimed, crippled or killed.

NO plan I have is premised on strangers bailing me out.

Nah, I have extra shells and other guns, too. And a wife who knows how to shoot, too.

It's the old story. "If you have LESS gun / ammo than me you're a fool and have a high chance of being brutally murdered for your foolish choices! But if you have MORE gun / ammo than me your just a paranoid freak and you'll end up in jail for using said weapon / ammo. Now if you use the SAME gun / ammo as me, I can tell you're a wise man and we can be friends!"

But anyway, you are correct that nobody is coming to save us. And don't have a gun in your hand when the law shows up, either.
 
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