Autolycus
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Oh god... please make it stop.
Carjacked!
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trunk monkey wins hands down!
I have to get one with my next car
I have to get one with my next car
Robert Hairless
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My winged demon of the night beats your trunk monkey.
Trunk monkeys stink up the car, litter it with banana peels, and leave you to clean up the mess after a confrontation. Nothing beats a winged demon of the night because it takes off with the hypothetical problem and can be trained to leave behind its valuables.
As long as you feed it of course.
Got Rolex?
Trunk monkeys stink up the car, litter it with banana peels, and leave you to clean up the mess after a confrontation. Nothing beats a winged demon of the night because it takes off with the hypothetical problem and can be trained to leave behind its valuables.
As long as you feed it of course.
Got Rolex?
Oh, and I wouldn't put my gun on the passenger seat. The FBI agents in that shootout in Miami in the 1980s did that, and they crashed their car and their guns went flying onto the floor and they couldn't find them in the ensuring gun fight, IIRC. Plus, what if the carjacker attacks from the passenger side 
A REAL solution: http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm
This is not my NEXT purchase, but pretty soon and for exactly the reasons in the video.
This is not my NEXT purchase, but pretty soon and for exactly the reasons in the video.
dralarms
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EX,
I have one of those and it's fun to shoot. Makes a good snake gun of you could put it in the door of your car / truck and it would be very good at dispatching someone up close.
I have one of those and it's fun to shoot. Makes a good snake gun of you could put it in the door of your car / truck and it would be very good at dispatching someone up close.
ASM826
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Any of us can be taken by surprise
But you can't magically take away the use of the vehicle for defense (fleeing) or offense. If I am driving the car, I choose how closely I pull up behind the car in front at a stoplight. Flinging the door open and lurching forward will give the attacker a solid jolt. If his weapon is a crowbar, I gain a second or two, and he is on the ground, or knocked back off balance.
Now I have choices. I can hit reverse, cut the wheel and try to back away. If he's still coming and I cannot flee, I can return to drive and use the vehicle to defend myself.
In all of this, I am trying to gain a moment to get my head in the fight. Once I am oriented to the situation, his moment of surprise is gone.
The weight and energy of the car should not be underestimated.
But you can't magically take away the use of the vehicle for defense (fleeing) or offense. If I am driving the car, I choose how closely I pull up behind the car in front at a stoplight. Flinging the door open and lurching forward will give the attacker a solid jolt. If his weapon is a crowbar, I gain a second or two, and he is on the ground, or knocked back off balance.
Now I have choices. I can hit reverse, cut the wheel and try to back away. If he's still coming and I cannot flee, I can return to drive and use the vehicle to defend myself.
In all of this, I am trying to gain a moment to get my head in the fight. Once I am oriented to the situation, his moment of surprise is gone.
The weight and energy of the car should not be underestimated.
Pax Jordana
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OK, so step one is driving off, but I'm a young buck and too aggressive at times, and plus there's more I can say about option two and I do looooove to type.
I don't see how we're outdrawing a drawn gun. Unless you drive a coupe with no B posts (the one that sits just behind your head in most cars and divides the front window from the back) he's got no room to swing the crowbar to hit YOU. That leaves him with a) stabbing you with it or b) drawing something else.
Well, I carry at 1 o'clock, so when I'm fiddling with my 'seatbelt' that gun's gonna find its way to where it needs to be.
Heck, bashing my window establishes intent. Just make sure not to get powder burns on your window ledges.
I don't see how we're outdrawing a drawn gun. Unless you drive a coupe with no B posts (the one that sits just behind your head in most cars and divides the front window from the back) he's got no room to swing the crowbar to hit YOU. That leaves him with a) stabbing you with it or b) drawing something else.
Well, I carry at 1 o'clock, so when I'm fiddling with my 'seatbelt' that gun's gonna find its way to where it needs to be.
Heck, bashing my window establishes intent. Just make sure not to get powder burns on your window ledges.
revjen45
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C) Without the verbiage. ASAP it's to slide lock.
RNB65
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Nope, sorry RH. But I do have a plastic Casio that probably keeps time as accurately as a President and only cost me $18 at Wally World 5 years ago. I'll be glad to send it your way if you'll pay postage.
Robert Hairless
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I met a plastic Casio once. Her life's ambition was to be Italy's top model.
Zach S
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Yes. It surprisingly easy with a holster mounted somewhere inside the car.
Unlike the pics posted, you cant see mine when the door is open. Or with it closed for that matter.
The closest I ever got to this situation was one night returning from the local library. I had to drive through a rather unsavory part of the medium-small town I was living in at the time. Stopped at a red light minding my own business when a large sedan pulled up behind me with its brights on,, very close to my back bumper. I was fixated on how close he was. Peripheral vision caught something on the right hand side of the car. I looked and was peering right into the eyes of a decidedly unkempt character who had his face right up at my passenger side window.
Long story made short: I must have some sort of "fight or flight" instinct because my left foot sidestepped the clutch and right foot went right to the floor before I even moved my vision forward. I was thru the red light and gone without even so much as a glance to see if cross traffic was coming. Could have been T-boned so easily that night.... or worse.
Count that as my lesson learned. No idea what the character wanted, but didn't wait to find out.
Sorry for the somewhat OT post.
Long story made short: I must have some sort of "fight or flight" instinct because my left foot sidestepped the clutch and right foot went right to the floor before I even moved my vision forward. I was thru the red light and gone without even so much as a glance to see if cross traffic was coming. Could have been T-boned so easily that night.... or worse.
Count that as my lesson learned. No idea what the character wanted, but didn't wait to find out.
Sorry for the somewhat OT post.
mmay1
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Get out? Are you sure the guy who just smashed the window in your face will not use that crowbar on you when you are getting out? I think you are trusting the wrong guy to do the right thing.
geophysicishooter
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The trunk monkey is pretty badass!! I can think of a few more situations I could deploy monkey from the trunk even if only to flip off the guy behind me in traffic.
I like the taurus 'the judge'. That's a pretty ingenious idea. I just don't think I could resist the urge to say ' Tell it to The Judge' when dispatching the hypothetical bad guy.
But in all seriousness, carjackings are one of the dangers we face when we go outin the streets. It's surprises and scares the hell out of me to see as many people in traffic who are totally oblivious to the world around them when they're sitting there at a light. They'll be digging through a purse or briefcase, talking on the phone, fiddling with the stereo, smoking a cigarette, anything but watching the guy coming across the street and around the back of their car. It just got me to thinking what would I do if...
but I guess that's what this place is here for, neh?
I like the taurus 'the judge'. That's a pretty ingenious idea. I just don't think I could resist the urge to say ' Tell it to The Judge' when dispatching the hypothetical bad guy.
But in all seriousness, carjackings are one of the dangers we face when we go outin the streets. It's surprises and scares the hell out of me to see as many people in traffic who are totally oblivious to the world around them when they're sitting there at a light. They'll be digging through a purse or briefcase, talking on the phone, fiddling with the stereo, smoking a cigarette, anything but watching the guy coming across the street and around the back of their car. It just got me to thinking what would I do if...
but I guess that's what this place is here for, neh?
karz10
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I used to think I'd give up a car w/out a fight, but then you see crooks, often kids, blasting away even though they got what they wanted. Then there's the type that then puts a gun to your head and takes you to your local bank to empty your bank account before they take you to an undisclosed location, not to mention if you have family/kids in the car.
At this point, anyone taking an agressive action towards me or mine is likely going to regret it. I agree 100% that situational awareness and preventative awareness to stay in the optimum position to give yourself options is important, and that if you can flee, or use your vehicle as a weapon, possibly while fleeing, is probably the best bet.
However, if that doesn't work, or isn't an option, you better have a plan b at the ready, and quick. I kind of like this quote:
I'm thinking whatever action you take should be immediate, flee or fight, but if they have the drop on you, and/or you don't feel you can get the weapon out fast enough (or get away), then what ASM suggests seems to be the most logical type of tactic, do something to level the playing field. Whether as quoted you do this aggressively, or even make them think you're complying, but then catch them by surprise, if close enough to hit them w/ the door of a stationary or moving car, get the weapon out while appearing to comply as you get your seatbelt off, or appear to get out of the car to get better access to your weapon while then making a sudden movement and get off a shot, or whatever.
It just seems logical to do something evasive and or deceiptful to shift the balance.
Karz
At this point, anyone taking an agressive action towards me or mine is likely going to regret it. I agree 100% that situational awareness and preventative awareness to stay in the optimum position to give yourself options is important, and that if you can flee, or use your vehicle as a weapon, possibly while fleeing, is probably the best bet.
However, if that doesn't work, or isn't an option, you better have a plan b at the ready, and quick. I kind of like this quote:
I'm thinking whatever action you take should be immediate, flee or fight, but if they have the drop on you, and/or you don't feel you can get the weapon out fast enough (or get away), then what ASM suggests seems to be the most logical type of tactic, do something to level the playing field. Whether as quoted you do this aggressively, or even make them think you're complying, but then catch them by surprise, if close enough to hit them w/ the door of a stationary or moving car, get the weapon out while appearing to comply as you get your seatbelt off, or appear to get out of the car to get better access to your weapon while then making a sudden movement and get off a shot, or whatever.
It just seems logical to do something evasive and or deceiptful to shift the balance.
Karz
ilcylic
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First response is the correct one. Get the vehicle moving.
98C5: Regarding the 2" lip and the reclined bucket seat, forgive my questioning, but; Have you actually tried it?
I've had a lot of stuff go flying all over the place under hard braking or turning.
I'd recommend unloading your carry piece, putting it where you put it, and go find a wide open parking lot some night. Get up to speed and panic stop. (Corvettes have ABS, right? Should be able to really stop fast in one of them.) Get up to speed and make some fast turns. See if it stays in place as well as you think it will.
If you've already performed these experiments, awesome, glad to know it works.
I'm not trying to bust your b****, just trying to make sure you don't end up missing your piece someday when you really need it.
mmay1: ++
98C5: Regarding the 2" lip and the reclined bucket seat, forgive my questioning, but; Have you actually tried it?
I've had a lot of stuff go flying all over the place under hard braking or turning.
I'd recommend unloading your carry piece, putting it where you put it, and go find a wide open parking lot some night. Get up to speed and panic stop. (Corvettes have ABS, right? Should be able to really stop fast in one of them.) Get up to speed and make some fast turns. See if it stays in place as well as you think it will.
If you've already performed these experiments, awesome, glad to know it works.
I'm not trying to bust your b****, just trying to make sure you don't end up missing your piece someday when you really need it.
mmay1: ++
Do carjackers make a point of 'jacking' a car that is gridlocked in traffic? I doubt it.
I would assume that they'd pick a car either in the front of the line, or which has enough room around it to be able to either move around others or pull a u-turn.
If there is enough room for a carjacker to steal the car, then there is enough room for you to floor it.
I would assume that they'd pick a car either in the front of the line, or which has enough room around it to be able to either move around others or pull a u-turn.
If there is enough room for a carjacker to steal the car, then there is enough room for you to floor it.
Cosmoline
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If evasion by auto is not possible (ie you're blocked in) then getting out is entirely reasonable. Esp. if he's demanding that you get out. I've pointed out many times that the car seat is a death zone. It's difficult to draw, impossible to dodge, and hard to hit anything from there. The man on the outside has you at a major disadvantage. If you can get out and escape safely, do so. If he's armed and you cannot flee for fear of him shooting you as you leave, then wait till he's getting in and shoot him in the back of the head and spine.
It's not a problem I've had to deal with since I went car free.
It's not a problem I've had to deal with since I went car free.
The Unknown User
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Arfin said:
+1
I've made it a point to start doing this as I one time blocked a police officer with his sirens on from getting through. I was at a red light, and I pulled right up to the bumper of the vehicle in front of me. Then I heard sirens, and you see all the cars move two inches in a vain effort to get out of the way.
Now I make the effort to leave enough room to change lanes.
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I started leaving room between my car and the one in front thanks to my dad--"What happens if that car in front of you breaks down?", he would ask me. So he wasn't thinking of carjacking, but he taught me a good habit anyway.
Okay, what to do if the carjacker is levelling a gun at you AND demands that you slide into the passenger's seat? (The sarcastic part of me says, "Fake a seizure," but I seriously want to know.)
Okay, what to do if the carjacker is levelling a gun at you AND demands that you slide into the passenger's seat? (The sarcastic part of me says, "Fake a seizure," but I seriously want to know.)
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