The Bushmaster
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But Mike...If you are dumb enough to buy one of those badges. Maybe you DO need to be removed from the gene pool.
concealed carry badges?
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eatont9999
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It kinda defeats the purpose of carrying concealed. I would not want a badge. I don't like the idea of looking and acting like some kind of wanna be mall cop. I think it is just an immature idea to flash a badge in no official capacity.
bdickens
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Stupid idea and it ought to be against the law.
xjchief
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I think the CC45ACPW badge in gold is the way to go for a night on the town but a CC9mmW badge in silver is best for day to day carry. Might be able to blind a bad guy if the sun is in the right position.
mcdonl
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This guy wears one....
If you want to be THAT guy... I encourage you to get one...
If you want to be THAT guy... I encourage you to get one...
If you find yourself in that kind of situation, the first thing the officer is going to do is to take control of the scene. If you have a gun in your hand, the officer will order you to drop it, NOW! Do it, or you will find out the hard way what those neat hollow point bullets you talk about really do. You can explain all about your CCW later.
I read a post by one fellow who said he carried some super fancy $3000 handgun and would never drop it for some f* a* cop. I told him if I were the officer, and he didn't drop the gun, he would die, right then, right there. If you feel that way about your fancy gun, carry a reliable clunker. But having a scratched gun is a lot better than attending your own funeral.
Jim
I read a post by one fellow who said he carried some super fancy $3000 handgun and would never drop it for some f* a* cop. I told him if I were the officer, and he didn't drop the gun, he would die, right then, right there. If you feel that way about your fancy gun, carry a reliable clunker. But having a scratched gun is a lot better than attending your own funeral.
Jim
I don't wear one because I don't see the point. However, there is nothing illegal about using a non official badge where I live. As long as you do not call yourself a cop what is the big deal? Most people have no idea what official badges from the police authority look like anyway.
Anyone who wears one is setting themselves up for an impersonation charge. If the badge says carry permit badge and the bearer never said they were a cop the charge probably will not stick.
Anyone who wears one is setting themselves up for an impersonation charge. If the badge says carry permit badge and the bearer never said they were a cop the charge probably will not stick.
Madcap_Magician
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Which is true, but you might still be charged. While it may not stick, it'll be a big hassle.
ROGER4314
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The badge would speak volumes about why you carry a gun. As for me, I don't have "beware of owner" signs, decals, posters or badges. I am an honest citizen who exercises his legal right to become licensed and carry.
The rules state that I can fire the pistol only when other options are exhausted and if my life is in danger. After dark in Texas, I have some additional rights for property protection.
My rule of thumb is: "If you aren't ready to wet your pants in fear, do NOT pull the weapon. Don't let anything like a badge or sign contradict that position.
On a similar note, I keep the CHL part of me confidential and it's part of our law that makes a lot of sense. An openly carried firearm protects YOU. A concealed weapon protects EVERYONE as the bad guys don't know is packing. That part of the law is inspired! It's simple and it works!
Flash
The rules state that I can fire the pistol only when other options are exhausted and if my life is in danger. After dark in Texas, I have some additional rights for property protection.
My rule of thumb is: "If you aren't ready to wet your pants in fear, do NOT pull the weapon. Don't let anything like a badge or sign contradict that position.
On a similar note, I keep the CHL part of me confidential and it's part of our law that makes a lot of sense. An openly carried firearm protects YOU. A concealed weapon protects EVERYONE as the bad guys don't know is packing. That part of the law is inspired! It's simple and it works!
Flash
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pbearperry
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Why not just get a bold tattoo on your forehead that says you are carrying lawfully?For the love of God,who cares that you carry?
ROGER4314 said:
Why would it tell anything? If the badge just says carry permit holder, open carrier or "sheep dog" what harm is there in carrying it?
Cops carry a badge to identify themselves as cops.
Members of the military wear insignia to show their authority.
I don't believe there is a law anywhere which states regular citizens may not wear a badge identifying themselves as authorized or allowed to carry a firearm.
Why is it that gun owners and RTKBA people are so against the First Amendment? It makes no sense.
People are racist when they believe their skin color makes them better than another. Those who look down on others because they carry a gun in a fanny pack, carry a small handgun, open carry, or display a carry badge are elitest.
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Tommygunn
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mcdonl
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CONWICT....
I do believe I got that picture from a PREVIOUS CCW badge discussion....
I do believe I got that picture from a PREVIOUS CCW badge discussion....
ArfinGreebly
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Official Notification
The point of a badge is official notification and recognition.
"Official" implies a framework of office. It further implies that there is an understanding or agreement in place regarding what that office is, and what its attendant duties, responsibilities, and privileges are.
There is no "office" associated with a "badge" that identifies an arbitrary function that has no attendant duties, responsibilities, or privileges.
To present a "badge" provides a visual cue that implies such an office and, there being no such office, amounts to pretense.
In the eye of the "badge" holder, there may be no intent to pretend to an office (though such an argument would be interesting to see played out), nonetheless in the eye of the beholder, the "badge" would carry false meaning (inference, if you prefer), and once the actuality of the "badge" was understood, a certain amount of emotional backlash might be expected. The beholder/observer would predictably feel fooled by the perceived pretense.
If the "beholder" happens to be an officially recognized office-holder (or "officer" if you prefer) whose office -- by publicly recognized convention -- is accompanied by an official badge of office, used for purposes of identification and recognition in the execution of the attendant duties and responsibilities and exercise of official privilege, and said officer concludes that the unofficial "badge" creates confusion about said duties and so on, a similar emotional backlash might well ensue.
An emotional backlash from bystanders and badged officials falls under the heading of something called "trouble."
The official unit of measure for "trouble" is the standard "heap."
And, while no actual laws may have been violated, one may, nonetheless, find oneself in a heap of trouble, or possibly several heaps.
Common parlance for decisions leading to heaps of trouble (or even a single heap) is usually expressed as "bad idea."
I'm sure there's a shorter way to explain this, but it seems to me the short explanation has been tried, and found insufficient traction.
The point of a badge is official notification and recognition.
"Official" implies a framework of office. It further implies that there is an understanding or agreement in place regarding what that office is, and what its attendant duties, responsibilities, and privileges are.
There is no "office" associated with a "badge" that identifies an arbitrary function that has no attendant duties, responsibilities, or privileges.
To present a "badge" provides a visual cue that implies such an office and, there being no such office, amounts to pretense.
In the eye of the "badge" holder, there may be no intent to pretend to an office (though such an argument would be interesting to see played out), nonetheless in the eye of the beholder, the "badge" would carry false meaning (inference, if you prefer), and once the actuality of the "badge" was understood, a certain amount of emotional backlash might be expected. The beholder/observer would predictably feel fooled by the perceived pretense.
If the "beholder" happens to be an officially recognized office-holder (or "officer" if you prefer) whose office -- by publicly recognized convention -- is accompanied by an official badge of office, used for purposes of identification and recognition in the execution of the attendant duties and responsibilities and exercise of official privilege, and said officer concludes that the unofficial "badge" creates confusion about said duties and so on, a similar emotional backlash might well ensue.
An emotional backlash from bystanders and badged officials falls under the heading of something called "trouble."
The official unit of measure for "trouble" is the standard "heap."
And, while no actual laws may have been violated, one may, nonetheless, find oneself in a heap of trouble, or possibly several heaps.
Common parlance for decisions leading to heaps of trouble (or even a single heap) is usually expressed as "bad idea."
I'm sure there's a shorter way to explain this, but it seems to me the short explanation has been tried, and found insufficient traction.
IMO, this is a pissing match between cops who have arrest powers and people who don't. Security guards sometimes have badges to convey a sense of authority when in reality they have little to none. Some federal employees wear badges and have no police authority. Why shouldn't regular joe citizen carry a badge? A badge identifying someone as a carry permit holder is not an official government badge and anyone looking at one should know there is no power conveyed by it. The real problem is cops who feel threatened by someone wearing a badge lashing out and arresting people for impersonation based on a piece of tin.
In a situation like this I would urge someone to consider what the opinion of someone who is sitting on a jury of their peers would be.
There are a lot of very supportive pro-2A members on this board who have commented about how bad of an idea it is to carry a chl/ccw badge. Keep in mind you would very likely have members of the jury who would not be as supportive of the right to carry as your fellow THR members.
If that doesn't cause someone to stop and think, well then, we all have to make our own way through life. Good luck to you.
There are a lot of very supportive pro-2A members on this board who have commented about how bad of an idea it is to carry a chl/ccw badge. Keep in mind you would very likely have members of the jury who would not be as supportive of the right to carry as your fellow THR members.
If that doesn't cause someone to stop and think, well then, we all have to make our own way through life. Good luck to you.
pbearperry
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Voting is a right also.Maybe we should wear Republican badges too?Kwikarnu,what works for me is being armed and only I know it.Now where is my Flash Gordan ring,I know I put it somewhere?
divemedic
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You only need a concealed carry badge when you carry in the post office.
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