carry in texas, going there in June

[rhartwell]

I would like to find out from my THR friends in Texas where you can and cannot carry concealed. My permit is good there. I know that federal and state buildings are off limits. What about other places and also do they post no ccw signs there in Texas like is done here in Kansas. I am so excited about my visit!!!!!
thanks,
Ron

 

[daniel1113]

Off-limits locations

 

[Grey_Mana]

Double check on that state building thing.
When I visited the in-session Capitol building in Austin, about 10 years ago, the guards had no problem with concealed carry.

 

[jkingrph]

Look for signs we call 30.06 signs. I think 30.06 refers to the statue pertaining to proper means of posting. If it does not have the 30.06 in the sign it is not properly posted and thereby not a valid posting to prohibit carry.
Bars are illegal, as are business whose sales of over 50% for on site consumptin of alcohol are illegal whether posted or not. Hospitals are off limits and I think most public buildings, schools , but not all. I would have to dig out my handbook to be sure but everything I mentioned is a good rule of thumb to follow.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Hospitals are off limits and I think most public buildings,

You might want to re-check your book

Hospitals and churches were removed from the restricted places many years ago.

Public buildings in general are legal as well, in fact it's illegal for a government owned property to post the 30.06 sign at all.

(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

The exception of course is courthouses and jails.

Bars are illegal, as are business whose sales of over 50% for on site consumptin of alcohol are illegal whether posted or not.

That IS the definition of a bar, the 50% rule. Just because there are alcohol sales going on doesn't make it a bar but if they derive more than 50% of their revenue from on premise alcohol sales it is a bar and off limits.

 

[geophysicishooter]

Seems most of the ground has been covered so far but I took issue with the statement that the 51% didn't have to be posted. As far as I know, the 51% sign has to be displayed prominently. Bars illegal but not all places that serve alcohol are off limits. For instance, you may carry in a restaurant that has a bar but you must stay out of the "bar area"

a quick parousal of my pdf copy of the statutes handbook says, reads rather, in sec 411.204 that a business that derives more than 51% of its revenue from sales of alcohol for on premesis consumption must display the 51% sign..

That version of the statute handbook also contains language pertaining to the carrying on hospital and nursing home properties..

TxRifleman, when did that statute change? and can you point me (all of us) to a resource which shows that change in the statute.. I've had m permit for just under two years and it seems to me that I remember that still being in effect..

 

[TexasRifleman]

As far as I know, the 51% sign has to be displayed prominently.

The sign must be displayed yes. But, if the sign is not displayed it's the BAR that gets the fine.

It is the responsibility of the CHL holder to verify the 51% number, whether the sign is there or not. You might get out of the charges if you could later prove there was no sign, but the Penal Code does not say that CHL holders must see the sign, it just says that 51% places are off limits. Kinda fuzzy there so something to be careful of.

TxRifleman, when did that statute change? and can you point me (all of us) to a resource which shows that change in the statute.. I've had m permit for just under two years and it seems to me that I remember that still being in effect..

I can't remember when it changed, as far as hospitals, churches, and amusement parks. Been 6 years or more I think.

It's in Penal Code 46.035. Says:

(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:

(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;

(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;

(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;

(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;

(5) in an amusement park; or

(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.

But, then it says:

(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

They didn't remove them from the list, just added section (i) to the law and like I say, I can't remember when that was but it's been a while.

So, churches, hospitals and amusement parks ARE legal UNLESS the sign is there. And, the sign cannot be there if the hospital belongs to a government entity.


That is in 30.06, the criminal trespass laws which says:

(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

 

[jkingrph]

Hospitals and churches were removed from the restricted places many years ago.


I work in a hospital and it has 30.06 signage. Every hospital I have been into has those signs so ?? Some of the things I have seen going on in hospitals especially emergency rooms, we would would probably be better off without firearms there. When I have to go in on call late at night, I do carry and would rather deal with consequences of carrying, than not to have it if I needed the weapon. Like I said I do not have book handy and it has been several years since I went through renewal course, and realize there have been changes. I do notice that our public library which at one time had signs no longer is posted.


Logically 50% is a good definition of a bar, but at one time it was presented in the DPS handbook this way, maybe not now.

Rembering what happened in a church in Daingerfield shortly after I moved to Tx in 1979, I am glad the restriction on churches has been removed.

Everything I stated was definetly dated and from memory, but probably still a good general concise guide for Texas.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I work in a hospital and it has 30.06 signage. Every hospital I have been into has those signs so

That's 2 different things, as explained above.

Hospitals in and of themselves are NOT restricted places, it's the SIGN that makes them restricted places. And, if the hospital belongs to a government the signs DO NOT carry any weight, as explained in 30.06 which says that government owned or leased property cannot post the signs.

BIG difference.

Before the change hospitals, churches, and amusement parks were prohibited flat out. That's no longer the case.