Texas Concealed Carry

[Theohazard]

An accidental exposure of a CHL gun is not a criminal offense, courtesy of legislative "clean-up" of the law.

That's good to know. How about that wardrobe change I described in Post #43? Considering I was intentionally open carrying for a moment there, I'm guessing that would be illegal in Texas?

Edit: Oops, I didn't see that Warp already asked the exact same question I did.

 

[thefish]

1) lol that you think property tax is a state thing and not local

2) Colorado features:

- Hi-cap mag ban
- No state pre-emption
- Universal background checks
- Denver AWB

Golly, it sucks to live in Texas, let me move on up there to that gun paradise in Colorado.

Of course I know property tax isn't based on state, that's why I said BY LOCATION, as I have no idea what county the OP will live in if he decides to move to TX. I was merely making a generalization about the reasonable property tax here, vs. the ridiculous rate in TX.

To keep this on point to the OP's questions about retiring to a state other than PA.

~High cap mag ban in CO- Probably will be repealed. As far as I am concerned, doesn't matter, I have all the high cap AR mags I need. To the OP, if he has any, they are grandfathered in, if he needs some, they are attainable. And the ban is literally unenforceable, not to mention many sheriffs in the state except Denver county, say, in writing, they wont enforce it

~UBC. Again, probably will be repealed. And so what. I but my guns new, so i'll have a check anyway, I can pass it, and I make enough money that the extra $10 isn't going to prevent be from buying what I want. Same goes for if I was to buy used. $10 bucks, so what. Not a big deal.

~Denver AWB- Easy One. Don't retire in Denver metro County.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with these things on a principle basis, I think there should be no mag ban, no UBC, no AWB, but there is nothing I can do about it right now so I'm not going to get all fired up, all I can do is Vote.

I lived in TX for 15 years. Some people love it. I have friends and family still there, but for someone looking to retire, I say check it out for yourself before you take the advice of a bunch of people on the internet, strictly based on one single issue. People like to think they are single issue hardliners, but given the tough choice, most are not as tough as they sound.

Everyone bitches and moans about CALI, but I guarantee, if Denton county implemented a UBC, AWB, mag ban, condition three only carry, and LA county said the heck with it, lets have no regulation whatsoever, you wouldn't just pack up and move to Los Angeles.
There are other considerations.

All I'm saying is for someone from PA (and I've visited PA many, many times), there are a whole lot of things not to like about TX. But then again what do I know, I'm just a guy who lived in TX for 15 years and Colorado for 18, and in New York, Vermont and Canada in-between.

 

[9mmfan]

dodge, aren't you glad you asked? Hope you guys move on down here. Be glad to have you. If you're ever in Parker County, come on by. We can sit on the porch and BS a bit.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

What about the situation detailed above? That wasn't accidental. If you have a sweater concealing the pistol, and a jacket over that...to take the jacket and sweater off and put only the jacket back on...exposing the pistol in the process...that is not an accident. Wouldn't that be illegal in TX?

Seriously?

Okay, hand holding time apparently: Untuck shirt to cover gun, take off jacket, take off sweater, put jacket back on, tuck shirt back in.

TAH DAH! MAGIC!

Damn darn Texas laws making life all difficult and stuff.

Seriously, this is what these threads boil down to.. a bunch of complaints about Texas law usually founded on laziness or a flat out misunderstanding of Texas law. I carry a CZ-75 SP-01 Phantom or 1911 3/4 of the year down here and a Shield for the 110 degree part. Not having open carry isn't a big deal for people that actually know their craft.

I can't carry while drinking? Seriously? That's a complaint? You have got to be kidding me. You can keep that one in Washington.

 

[Warp]

So the answer is, yes, that would be illegal in Texas.

That's what we thought, but thank you for the clarification.

 

[Theohazard]

Okay, hand holding time apparently: Untuck shirt to cover gun, take off jacket, take off sweater, put jacket back on, tuck shirt back in.

So what I did legally in Seattle would be illegal in Texas. Thanks for the info.

I can't carry while drinking? Seriously? That's a complaint? You have got to be kidding me. You can keep that one in Washington.

Have you ever had a beer at a restaurant before? Wouldn't it be nice to not have to disarm in order to do it?

ClickClickD'oh, we're discussing Texas gun laws and you seem to be getting offended and taking it very personally. Nobody is insulting your state, we're simply point out deficiencies in your gun laws. I honestly don't understand your childish attitude here.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Have you ever had a beer at a restaurant before? Wouldn't it be nice to not have to disarm in order to do it?

I drink enough from time to time. If I drink, I don't touch a gun. If I touch a gun, I don't drink. It's just that simple and straight forward. I don't think you'll find any support to change that in Texas.

Nobody is insulting your state, we're simply point out deficiencies in your gun laws. I honestly don't understand your childish attitude here.

Let's review the complaints:

1) If I'm too lazy to do it right I might get in trouble.
2) If I drink while carrying I might get in trouble.

Funny thing, most Texans would say you guys are the ones being childish.

 

[tarosean]

If you have a sweater concealing the pistol, and a jacket over that...to take the jacket and sweater off and put only the jacket back on...exposing the pistol in the process...that is not an accident. Wouldn't that be illegal in TX?

TX Sweater and a Jacket??? Trying to die of heat stroke?

 

[Theohazard]

I drink enough from time to time. If I drink, I don't touch a gun. If I touch a gun, I don't drink. It's just that simple and straight forward. I don't think you'll find any support to change that in Texas.

Would you support lowering the .08% DUI law to 0% and therefore banning driving after having even only one drink? Drinking will impair your driving skills far more quickly than it will impair your ability to responsibly carry a firearm. I'm always amazed at people who think you should never even have a single drink while carrying, and yet they're OK with the .08% law when it applies to driving.

1) If I'm too lazy to do it right I might get in trouble.

That's your definition of "doing it right". The truth is, open carry makes things easier here in WA. Are you saying you see no need for open carry in Texas?

Funny thing, most Texans would say you guys are the ones being childish.

So it's childish to critique another state's gun laws? Look back and read your posts: Nobody was insulting anyone, mocking anyone, or getting upset until you showed up in this thread.

 

[dprice3844444]

there used to be a site i think i remember seeing that had lists of firearms instructors,that were certified in your state,but were also certified to teach ccw courses in other states,so you don't have to travel to that state to take the courses.

 

[Art Eatman]

If a place which sells booze doesn't have a "51%" sign, it's legal to drink. Illegal to become impaired. The 51 means that over 51% of the joint's income is from booze. So, you can go to the Red Lobster or Ruth's Chris and still tote your go-bang.

As far as the sweater/coat thing, if I was at least half-smart, I'd either make this change in my car or in an office or in a stall in a men's room. Usually, though, I'd check a weather forecast and dress for a "later today" temperature.

SFAIK, the only black spot in Texas gun law is the absence of open carry out on the public streets. As it is, CHL is easy and inexpensive.

 

[thefish]

there used to be a site i think i remember seeing that had lists of firearms instructors,that were certified in your state,but were also certified to teach ccw courses in other states,so you don't have to travel to that state to take the courses.

Interesting concept. I wonder how that would work. Wouldn't you still have to travel to your non resident state to turn in your paperwork, fingerprint, picture, etc (if applicable in that state). Sorry for the thread divergence.

 

[dprice3844444]

http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/documents/insoutstate050814.pdf utah out of state instructors

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

Would you support lowering the .08% DUI law to 0% and therefore banning driving after having even only one drink?

Go ahead, keep using drinking while carrying as your rally point. Just keep right on with that.

Are you saying you see no need for open carry in Texas?

I have yet to find myself unable to carry a firearm due to the lack of it. Would it be nice to have? Yeah, sure, what ever. As I said before, only people who suck at the craft find themselves unable to carry because of it's absence.

So it's childish to critique another state's gun laws?

Nope. Not to critique another states gun laws.

To want to drink while you have a gun on you, and think it's an undue burden to untuck your shirt... Yeah, I'd say those are a little south of the mature point of view.

 

[Theohazard]

To want to drink while you have a gun on you, and think it's an undue burden to untuck your shirt... Yeah, I'd say those are a little south of the mature point of view.

How is it immature to want to have a single beer with dinner and not have to disarm to do so? One beer doesn't impair my ability to responsibly carry a firearm. I'll ask you again: Do you apply the same zero-tolerance policy to driving? Are you against anyone drinking a single beer and then driving? Because if you aren't, then your safety priorities are illogical.

And my sweater/jacket removal story was simply an example of the benefit of open-carry laws even for people who don't open carry. Sure, I could have untucked my shirt, but it's almost impossible for me to properly tuck my undershirts back in without unbuttoning my pants: I decided open carrying in public for a moment would be less noticeable than if I undid my pants. I also could have found a private place, but there wasn't one: I was in the middle of a several-hour walk. You're right that it's a minor issue that would be easy to avoid in a non-open carry state, but I think we can all agree that Texas would be better off with open carry laws.

See, right now we're having a discussion, and I like that. Feel free to critique my comments all you want; my only issue is the angry and mocking tone of your previous posts (I'll ignore your implication that I "suck" at concealed carry).

 

[NavyLCDR]

Oh good, it's another one of these threads... Where a bunch of people that don't live in Texas all act like pigeons. Well, that's getting more than a wee bit tiring. Go find someone else to go crap all over.



Yes. Otherwise the gatherings we have at the ranch from time to time would be awfully busy periods for the local constabulary (what with all the shooting irons dangling from hips) who are most often there in attendance.

So, please, take all your non Texan, Texas law hating friends and go away. And take all these damn blue state immigrants cramming up I-35 and the "Keep Austin Weird" nutballs with you.

Texas is a horrible horrible place with terrible tyrannical laws. Stop coming here.

I notice that you could not answer my question. Cite that law that makes it legal to open carry on private property that is not one's own just because the property owner gives you permission. You can bash me all you want - but you can't prove your statement with citation to law, now can you?

There's a big difference between what is legal, illegal, and what you can just get away with most of the time.

 

[NavyLCDR]

But it's not unreasonable like some states are.

As it is, CHL is easy and inexpensive.

Whenever one of these topics comes up it seems like the Texas residents like to point to the 10 or so states that are more restrictive than Texas (like New York, CA, NJ...) and say, "See! Look at that! Things are good in Texas!"

Meanwhile a bunch of people from the 40 or so other states that don't have nearly as many restrictions as Texas get the Texans all hot under the collar when we respond with, "Seriously?"

I think part of the reason that things are improving so slowly in Texas is because the gun owning Texans just don't think they have it all that bad.

Washington:
I pay $55.25 for my five year CPL that takes one form, fingerprints and about 20 minutes at the local LEO agency to do and must be issued within 30 days. That's it. Renewal for 5 years is $35 and only requires one form to fill out. There are a number of places I can legally carry my gun - even without the CPL - that would be illegal in Texas, and my CPL adds a couple more legal places. <- and I believe those requirements to be unreasonable!

My CPL is optional - it makes it legal for me to conceal the handgun on my person and to keep it loaded in the vehicle if I want to, otherwise I can open carry anywhere without a CPL that a CPL holder can (except for on school premises and in a stadium/convention center owned and prohibited by a city).

"Reasonableness" depends entirely from what point of view you are looking at something. Are you looking at it while standing in New Jersey - or are you looking at it while reading the Constitution?

It's up to you guys - if you want to change the laws you need to get riled up about the way things are instead of just saying, "Awww, heck, it ain't that bad, yankee."

 

[Warp]

I drink enough from time to time. If I drink, I don't touch a gun. If I touch a gun, I don't drink. It's just that simple and straight forward. I don't think you'll find any support to change that in Texas.

That's your choice.

Doesn't mean it should be the law.

 

[Warp]

I have yet to find myself unable to carry a firearm due to the lack of it. Would it be nice to have? Yeah, sure, what ever. As I said before, only people who suck at the craft find themselves unable to carry because of it's absence.

Do you really need to keep resorting to personal insults?

But anyway, nobody said they couldn't carry a firearm because open carry is illegal. But it is limiting and it is an infringement to make open carry illegal. In most other states people are not so afraid of seeing a holstered handgun on a private citizen as to make it completely illegal. Why should Texas be any different?

 

[tarosean]

I don't think you'll find any support to change that in Texas.

It will never change... Heck, we still have Blue laws and "Dry" counties.

You guys really want to complain about something take a look at our knife laws..

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

How is it immature to want to have a single beer with dinner and not have to disarm to do so? One beer doesn't impair my ability to responsibly carry a firearm.

Okay then. Just stay up there in Washington if you insist on drinking while carrying and we'll all get along fine.

but it's almost impossible for me to properly tuck my undershirts back in without unbuttoning my pants

Seriously? This is what it's come to? Your inability to tuck in your shirt?

I also could have found a private place, but there wasn't one: I was in the middle of a several-hour walk.

If you are several hours walk from a private place I put forth that the proper tucked in condition of your shirts isn't nearly the issue you seem to make it out to be.

I notice that you could not answer my question.

Do not confuse "could not" with "would not". They are not the same thing

As for the answer, here's a mental exercise for you. What law authorized ranch hands in Texas to open carry firearms?

Cite that law that makes it legal to open carry on private property that is not one's own just because the property owner gives you permission.

You already have. You just don't understand the law you quoted. Which is pretty much what these Texas gun law threads are all about... people in other states that don't know Texas law very well.

I think part of the reason that things are improving so slowly in Texas is because the gun owning Texans just don't think they have it all that bad.

That's exactly what it is, and no one here has yet to show us how bad we have it.

Oh no, I can't carry when I'm drinking. The horror.

Oh no, I have to have my shirt over my gun. GASP IN TERROR

Oh no, once every five years I have to send a weeks worth of gas money to the state to renew my license! HOLY HELL BATMAN!

Yeah, it's real terrible down here. We know. You tell us in a thread about once a week.

Doesn't mean it should be the law.

It's the law because the majority of Texans want it to be that way.

Do you really need to keep resorting to personal insults?

I'm sorry, did I offend you when I said that if a person can't conceal a firearm then they suck at field craft? Odd, I didn't direct that comment at anyone. Why would you think it's an insult?

But anyway, nobody said they couldn't carry a firearm because open carry is illegal. But it is limiting and it is an infringement to make open carry illegal

That makes no sense. How is it limiting if it's never prevented someone from carrying?

In most other states people are not so afraid of seeing a holstered handgun on a private citizen as to make it completely illegal. Why should Texas be any different?

Texas didn't make it completely illegal.

But then again, to know that you guys would actually have to have a working knowledge of the law in Texas... which you guys clearly don't

Ya'll should try. It's embarrassing. You just don't know it.

 

[dprice3844444]

post #64,yo click,how'd my name get in there for something not said?

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

post #64,yo click,how'd my name get in there for something not said?

I'm sorry. Copy/paste error. I'll go fix it.

 

[Theohazard]

Okay then. Just stay up there in Washington if you insist on drinking while carrying and we'll all get along fine.

You're still not answering my question, so I'll ask it a third time: Do you support a zero-tolerance law regarding alcohol and driving? Because if you don't, you're being inconsistent and illogical; drinking impairs your driving ability far quicker than it impairs your ability to responsibly carry a firearm.

Seriously? This is what it's come to? Your inability to tuck in your shirt?

Of course not. What it comes down to is the freedom and flexibility allowed by open carry laws. It may not be a big deal to you, and that's fine. But I think open carry should be legal. And I like having the option to open carry if I want to, even if the only time I've exercised that right (so far) was to avoid having to untuck my shirt.

 

[Warp]

I'm sorry, did I offend you when I said that if a person can't conceal a firearm then they suck at field craft? Odd, I didn't direct that comment at anyone. Why would you think it's an insult?

Keep up the baseless personal insults.

I'm sure it will end well for you.

It's the law because the majority of Texans want it to be that way.

That is the root of the problem right there