Carrying your gun across state lines.

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My SO will usually drag me to NYC to go shopping with her in SoHo (i dont like it but she wants me to go) We live in Connecticut. From what I understand its ILLEGAL to carry your gun across the state lines and into another state, but i still do this because quite frankly, I dont feel that my or more importantly my SO's safety is worth less than the law. So i conceal carry across the border while we shop and then go back home.

My question is, is this stupid? I KNOW its stupid in the literal sense that I am risking arrest and what not, but is it better to risk being arrested than risking being killed by nutters in the City? I mean just not too long ago a woman was killed in the city by some scum. What are some of your thoughts and ideas regarding this?
 
Im not aksing anyone to endorse illegal activities, im asking for opinions, i wonder also if anyone else does this. Beofre anyone tells me to stop going to NYC be realistic, i am not going to sit in my apartment for the rest of my life for fear of breaking a stupid and ridiculous law. I always figure if the government can ensure my safety once i cross a border then i would consider it, but since they dont and they want me to go unarmed, ya know... its not cool.

I just want peoples opinions. SURELY some of you must do similar things, you dont all exist in your homes 24/7.
 
I think it's stupid.

Okay, I said it ... but that's what I believe. The situation you describe is just one of many reasons why I HATE New York City. Yeah, I know, "Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6," but the result of the 12 is going to be jail time plus lifetime status in the Convicted Felon Society, one of the primary benefits being that you then get to break the law any time you even touch a firearm.

Is it worth it?

Go to NY as infrequently as possible, get out while it's still daylight, and stay on the major streets in the downtown area. Do not travel in less than condition orange.

Sorry to be blunt, but the woman who was killed was stupid. She was accosted at 3:00 a.m. by an armed mugger, and she INVITED him to shoot her. So he did. I'm sorry she was killed, but she acted very stupidly. You can go into NYC without inviting scum to kill you.
 
Bill, I can understand your feelings, but if I were you, I wouldn’t discuss my “crimes†in public like this. It may come back to haunt you.

~G. Fink
 
I have no problem with your actions. Many, many people carry in NYC without appropriate government paperwork.

One should be aware of metal detectors which are found in many buildings. One also has to develop a certain amount of 'street smarts' to avoid problems with law enforcement and BG's.
 
I know This Doesn't Answer Your Question Directly..

This has been said by not only me, but many others on various gun sites.

If you do NOT have a NYCity LCP.. then you can NOT possess a handgun within NYCity! That's it!! :mad:

If you have a NYState LCP.. you STILL can NOT possess within NYCity. :banghead: (* Please note.. I am NOT talking about the couple of "SPECIAL" circumstances that do allow it.)

The bottom line is.. NO NYCity LCP, NO gun!! It can't be simpler than that. :cuss:

It's up to you to decide as to whether you want to illegally protect your SO.. or be arrested, lose your firearm, have all other Permits/Licenses taken away from you, never be able to legally own a firearm again, spend several thousand $$$'s trying to stay out of the Gray Bar Hotel for a year.. and when you do become NYState's guest, hope and pray Bubba don't want you for his girlfriend.

Oh yea, by the way.. when you do land in the Gray Bar Hotel, make sure you carry "soap on a rope" when you take your shower. :eek:

I wasn't trying to be flippent about the situation, but being a former LEO (and presently hold a non-restricted NY LCP), this is what can happen if you get the WRONG silver shield that wants to put the screws to you. :barf:

FireStar_M40
 
I lived in NYC for over 20 years through 3 mayors and a riot or two. I was only mugged once and it was my own fault for walking past a group of urbans with a camera and looking like a loser.
You shouldn't carry a gun because they WILL put you in jail. The permit system in NYC is run by payola so the boys in blue will always protect their franchise.
On the other hand you can do what I did and adopt a manner of dress and..er... deportment that will deter any would-be mugger (always stare the urbans down and make them step aside for you, NEVER look away). Carry the legal length (4") razor sharp tactical folder. And be ready to ask "do you REALLY want to f**k with me?" to anyone who looks like he might.
Always keep your peripheral vision on.
SoHo is not a dangerous place, the Lower East Side is. But NYC is one of the safest cities in the world. Safer than London or Sydney or Paris or most cities in the US.
I think you are in much more danger from the police than you are from the urbans if you insist on breaking the law.
Remember, NYC is a Socialist stronghold and Socialism makes criminals of the law abiding and pardons the true criminals. You will get no mercy.
That's one of the reasons why I moved to CT.
Can't you take her to Woodbury Commons Discount Mall? Same stuff at discount prices :)

Be safe

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Do what you gotta do.

I wouldn't advocate breaking the law, and if I were the type of person who did, I certainly wouldn't announce it to everyone with internet access.
 
In 2001, I rode my Harley from South Carolina to Montana, then to Niagara Falls, and back home. I did this trip by MYSELF...as in "alone". I carried an AMT Backup 45ACP in my front jacket pocket during the complete trip, through 22 different states. I didn't, and still don't, have any permit to carry.....I guess you can figure out what my answer would be. :eek: :evil:
 
Like Zak said, it depends on what CCW reciprocity agreements your state has with neighboring states. Unfortunately, it's not going to happen with New York. With my VA CCW permit, I can freely cross state lines into North Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky because Virginia has reciprocity agreements with those and additional states. You just have to be mindful of the other state's CCW regs.
 
There have been situations where I have carried inspite of the local laws, but I don't make it a habit. What always concerns me is if I were to get pulled over and the officer decides to do a pat down!! That wouldn't go very, and I would land in jail.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Im not aksing anyone to endorse illegal activities, im asking for opinions, i wonder also if anyone else does this. Beofre anyone tells me to stop going to NYC be realistic, i am not going to sit in my apartment for the rest of my life for fear of breaking a stupid and ridiculous law. I always figure if the government can ensure my safety once i cross a border then i would consider it, but since they dont and they want me to go unarmed, ya know... its not cool.
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Yes! You are indeed on the face of it asking folks to endorse your illegal activities. Either that or you're just not terribly imaginative. Come on? There's nothing legal in NYC that you can't get in CT unless maybe you're going to see a Broadway play or something.

NYC laws suck - but they're still the law. Don't carry there.

If you're concerned about your safety in NYC then:

DON'T GO THERE!

See how simple the real solution is.
 
Convince your SO that you should not be giving money to socialists, no matter what kind of bargain/fashion they offer. If more people were serious about it, NYC would change thier trifiling ways with human rights.

Sam
 
Yes we DO often go to see plays, and Again i dont think its terribly realistic to tell someone not to shop in NYC, I dont have a need to go there other than to spend time with my SO or see the shows or go to the museams, but she likes to shop there because they DO have stores in NY that we dotn in CT. I guess Maybe i should leave my piece home from now on and just carry my bowie knife or something. By the way I usually dont have trouble with the LEOs in the sense that I do not drive to NYC with my car we take the train in. So its not like im going to ge tpulled over or anything. Just dont like the idea though of wlaking through NY without real protection when i KNOW the BG's arent going to be obeying the laws.
 
By the way I usually dont have trouble with the LEOs in the sense that I do not drive to NYC with my car we take the train in. So its not like im going to get pulled over or anything. Just dont like the idea though of wlaking through NY without real protection when i KNOW the BG's arent going to be obeying the laws.
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You're not getting the message, are you? It is ILLEGAL -- as in F-E-L-O-N-Y -- for you to carry or even possess a handgun in New York City. Fine, you're carrying it for self-defense. If you get jumped by a BG and have to USE your handgun for the intended purpose, then the police ARE going to know about it, aren't they? And they aren't very likely to just let you walk because you're the good guy and the other chap is the bad guy. They will arrest your yuppie a$$ and put you in jail. How much protection will you be for your SO when you are incarcerated?

Also, as someone who used to live in CT, I can tell you that ANYTHING you can buy in NYC, you can buy from CT without ever crossing the state line. If you like to go to Broadway shows, well there's no way around that. But no one who lives in Connecticut NEEDS to go into NYC.
 
i dont think its terribly realistic to tell someone not to shop in NYC
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Never been there, never plan on going, and for some reason I don't feel as if I'm missing out on much. Does that make me unrealistic?

Name a few things you get in NYC that you can't get anywhere else (perishable food items, museums, theater, etc. don't count).
 
I find this very interesting, since I am in NYC during the week days.

What I also find interesting is the idea that you WILL go to prisonif you use it defensively. I certainly agree it is a possibility, and is definate if you are caught with it not defending yourself.

But I recall a recent shooting where someone defended his apartment with an unregistered handgun, and I believe he was not imprisoned, just had the gun confiscated. Does anyone remember the details on this?

In a recent thread about Bernie Goetz, someone mentioned that it seemed an awful lot of cab drivers were able to "wrestle" the gun from their robber's hands and shoot the robber.
 
Bridger, are you suggesting that the clearly illegal act of carrying a concealed handgun from Connecticut into NYC somehow magically becomes LESS illegal if the gun is used to shoot someone?

Billy the Kid is, presumeably, an adult and can make his own choices in life. Personally, I think the climate in NYC, where they arrest people at the airport for carrying an UNLOADED and properly declared handgun in their luggage even if their final destination isn't even in NY state, makes carrying without a permit a very foolish risk.

YMMV
 
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