WvaBill
Member
Do it every trip to VA.
I stop to unload and secure the weapon in the trunk while passing through MD to PA.
Carrying your gun across state lines.
- Thread starter Billy the Kid
- Start date
- Status
Do it every trip to VA.
I stop to unload and secure the weapon in the trunk while passing through MD to PA.
Billy the Kid
Member
You're not getting the message, are you? It is ILLEGAL -- as in F-E-L-O-N-Y -- for you to carry or even possess a handgun in New York City. Fine, you're carrying it for self-defense. If you get jumped by a BG and have to USE your handgun for the intended purpose, then the police ARE going to know about it, aren't they? And they aren't very likely to just let you walk because you're the good guy and the other chap is the bad guy. They will arrest your yuppie a$$ and put you in jail. How much protection will you be for your SO when you are incarcerated?
Also, as someone who used to live in CT, I can tell you that ANYTHING you can buy in NYC, you can buy from CT without ever crossing the state line. If you like to go to Broadway shows, well there's no way around that. But no one who lives in Connecticut NEEDS to go into NYC.
Again youre not being realisitc, Im not going to live in CT and teleport to Tennesee just ot leave the state because thye honor my Permit, how the heck do you live? all huddled up in your house with bottled water and guns? There is stuff in NYC that i want, they dont have the metropolitian museam of art in CT do they? Do they have Broadway in CT? Do they have Babbo (Italian resturaunt owned by Mario battali)? in CT? I dont think so, there are a MILLION reasons to go into NY from CT and only 1 ive seen so far NOT too, and that reason isnt realisitc im afraid. I DO know its illegal, but you seem to be putting more emphisis that its better to go to the grave or live trapped like a prisoner in my own state, than to protect myself and face a jury of peers.
Also, as someone who used to live in CT, I can tell you that ANYTHING you can buy in NYC, you can buy from CT without ever crossing the state line. If you like to go to Broadway shows, well there's no way around that. But no one who lives in Connecticut NEEDS to go into NYC.
Again youre not being realisitc, Im not going to live in CT and teleport to Tennesee just ot leave the state because thye honor my Permit, how the heck do you live? all huddled up in your house with bottled water and guns? There is stuff in NYC that i want, they dont have the metropolitian museam of art in CT do they? Do they have Broadway in CT? Do they have Babbo (Italian resturaunt owned by Mario battali)? in CT? I dont think so, there are a MILLION reasons to go into NY from CT and only 1 ive seen so far NOT too, and that reason isnt realisitc im afraid. I DO know its illegal, but you seem to be putting more emphisis that its better to go to the grave or live trapped like a prisoner in my own state, than to protect myself and face a jury of peers.
Billy the Kid
Member
Never been there, never plan on going, and for some reason I don't feel as if I'm missing out on much. Does that make me unrealistic?
Name a few things you get in NYC that you can't get anywhere else (perishable food items, museums, theater, etc. don't count).
No of course not, youre not missing something you never used or needed. I on the other hand love going to the city, i love the arts and culture. I am not one of those sterotypical gun keepers who hides out at home all day, i still go to museams and plays, I love painting and drawing and playing piano and guitar, I was never a good math student growing up but found out my passion was in the arts, writing, reading, paintings, sculpture.
Just going ot the Metropolitian museam of Art is enough reason for me to go to NYC, took my girlfriend to the Ancient Chinese and Greek Exhibit a month or so back it was absolutely gorgeous. Not sure to you why food, museams and theatres shouldnt count.. i dont go to NYC for Bed Bath and Beyond thats for sure. But if you must know a few, i DO go to a few local shops that are privatly owned and not chain stores, doubt youd know the names, i visit Bobbo for lunch many times good eats there, I like to buy stuff in Chinatown, theres stuff you can only find there and nowhere else. Be it fake bags, or novelties, or even EXTREAMILY cheap electronics. Bought my brother a sony MD player for only 30 bucks there with the extra storng headphones.
How about culture? just a mix match of differnt faces, or hows about the music festivals they have in TimesSquare during the summer?
These things i cannot get outside of NYC because theyre NYC specific things.
Name a few things you get in NYC that you can't get anywhere else (perishable food items, museums, theater, etc. don't count).
No of course not, youre not missing something you never used or needed. I on the other hand love going to the city, i love the arts and culture. I am not one of those sterotypical gun keepers who hides out at home all day, i still go to museams and plays, I love painting and drawing and playing piano and guitar, I was never a good math student growing up but found out my passion was in the arts, writing, reading, paintings, sculpture.
Just going ot the Metropolitian museam of Art is enough reason for me to go to NYC, took my girlfriend to the Ancient Chinese and Greek Exhibit a month or so back it was absolutely gorgeous. Not sure to you why food, museams and theatres shouldnt count.. i dont go to NYC for Bed Bath and Beyond thats for sure. But if you must know a few, i DO go to a few local shops that are privatly owned and not chain stores, doubt youd know the names, i visit Bobbo for lunch many times good eats there, I like to buy stuff in Chinatown, theres stuff you can only find there and nowhere else. Be it fake bags, or novelties, or even EXTREAMILY cheap electronics. Bought my brother a sony MD player for only 30 bucks there with the extra storng headphones.
How about culture? just a mix match of differnt faces, or hows about the music festivals they have in TimesSquare during the summer?
These things i cannot get outside of NYC because theyre NYC specific things.
280PLUS
Member
I feel your pain Billy
I just don't go there, if they can't let me protect myself I'm not giving them any of my money, end of story. I'll take it to Vermont instead. I don't go to at least the Mohegans either for the same reason and I've made it very clear to them. I'm not sure about the Pequots though, I want to recheck their rules sometime but have no plans to go there anyway. CT has no reciprocity anywhere. Next time elections come around try to work for us in that direction by supporting the local pro-gun candidate please? The NRA will tell you who they are.
Here's a guitar link in CT, concert this saturday 02/12/05!
www.ccgs.org
we don't need no NYC...
I just don't go there, if they can't let me protect myself I'm not giving them any of my money, end of story. I'll take it to Vermont instead. I don't go to at least the Mohegans either for the same reason and I've made it very clear to them. I'm not sure about the Pequots though, I want to recheck their rules sometime but have no plans to go there anyway. CT has no reciprocity anywhere. Next time elections come around try to work for us in that direction by supporting the local pro-gun candidate please? The NRA will tell you who they are.
Here's a guitar link in CT, concert this saturday 02/12/05!
www.ccgs.org
we don't need no NYC...
Riverrat66
Member
This has been said by not only me, but many others on various gun sites.
If you do NOT have a NYCity LCP.. then you can NOT possess a handgun within NYCity! That's it!! If you have a NYState LCP.. you STILL can NOT possess within NYCity. (* Please note.. I am NOT talking about the couple of "SPECIAL" circumstances that do allow it.)
The bottom line is.. NO NYCity LCP, NO gun!! It can't be simpler than that.
It's up to you to decide as to whether you want to illegally protect your SO.. or be arrested, lose your firearm, have all other Permits/Licenses taken away from you, never be able to legally own a firearm again, spend several thousand $$$'s trying to stay out of the Gray Bar Hotel for a year.. and when you do become NYState's guest, hope and pray Bubba don't want you for his girlfriend.
I wasn't trying to be flippent about the situation, but being a former LEO (and presently hold a non-restricted NY LCP), this is what can happen if you get the WRONG silver shield that wants to put the screws to you.
FireStar_M40
________________________________________________________________
You better believe what FireStar says! I've got a NYS CCW permit that's void within the limits of NYC. So what makes you think you can carry a illegal concealed weapon without any consequences? It's a mandatory 1 year prison term for being caught with an illegal handgun in New York State. The laws suck, but it's the law. If I have to obey them so do you! If you're that afraid to go to NYC without your handgun, then don't go, plain and simple!
If you do NOT have a NYCity LCP.. then you can NOT possess a handgun within NYCity! That's it!! If you have a NYState LCP.. you STILL can NOT possess within NYCity. (* Please note.. I am NOT talking about the couple of "SPECIAL" circumstances that do allow it.)
The bottom line is.. NO NYCity LCP, NO gun!! It can't be simpler than that.
It's up to you to decide as to whether you want to illegally protect your SO.. or be arrested, lose your firearm, have all other Permits/Licenses taken away from you, never be able to legally own a firearm again, spend several thousand $$$'s trying to stay out of the Gray Bar Hotel for a year.. and when you do become NYState's guest, hope and pray Bubba don't want you for his girlfriend.
I wasn't trying to be flippent about the situation, but being a former LEO (and presently hold a non-restricted NY LCP), this is what can happen if you get the WRONG silver shield that wants to put the screws to you.
FireStar_M40
________________________________________________________________
You better believe what FireStar says! I've got a NYS CCW permit that's void within the limits of NYC. So what makes you think you can carry a illegal concealed weapon without any consequences? It's a mandatory 1 year prison term for being caught with an illegal handgun in New York State. The laws suck, but it's the law. If I have to obey them so do you! If you're that afraid to go to NYC without your handgun, then don't go, plain and simple!
That's a lot of love. If you're going to continue carrying without a permit in NYC, be prepared to save some for your cellmate.
The reason I didn't include places of cultural significance has to do with the obviousness of their exclusivity to their current location. Again, do what you gotta do, but the consequences are your own to deal with.
You're beating a dead horse Billy. No one here is going to validate your decision to carry illegally in NYC for any reason. Whether you carry there or NOT is your decision.
But since you seem to need it:
Billy - by all means carry in New York City. It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 and of course the protection of your family is priority 1! There's lots of things in NYC that can be had no where else and they are all things that make life worth living. To deny your self those things because of some silly and misguided laws enacted by the leadership in NYC is just plain - well wrong. I applaud your courage to carry in defiance of local laws. Guys like you make the founding fathers proud - Bernie Goetz is standing up and cheering you on. Stand up for freedom and thumb your nose at NYC and it's stupid laws. And remember Billy - CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED.
Before I go I'll leave you with one last thought: if you do nothing else at least do this... Start putting away each week a little bit for your legal defense fund - some day you may need it.
But since you seem to need it:
Billy - by all means carry in New York City. It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 and of course the protection of your family is priority 1! There's lots of things in NYC that can be had no where else and they are all things that make life worth living. To deny your self those things because of some silly and misguided laws enacted by the leadership in NYC is just plain - well wrong. I applaud your courage to carry in defiance of local laws. Guys like you make the founding fathers proud - Bernie Goetz is standing up and cheering you on. Stand up for freedom and thumb your nose at NYC and it's stupid laws. And remember Billy - CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED.
Before I go I'll leave you with one last thought: if you do nothing else at least do this... Start putting away each week a little bit for your legal defense fund - some day you may need it.
MICHAEL T
Member
Hey Guys, Billy in his early 20's and trying to live up to his name. Gunslinger and outlaw. A few more trips to NY and he will be there.
Every body has said its a NoNo but he doesn't listen. When I drove a truck and delivered in the city, the docks were not in the rich part of town I only carried a folder and in 15 years and every major crime ridden city in US never had a problem except in NJ and the folder came in handy their.
Every body has said its a NoNo but he doesn't listen. When I drove a truck and delivered in the city, the docks were not in the rich part of town I only carried a folder and in 15 years and every major crime ridden city in US never had a problem except in NJ and the folder came in handy their.
No, I'm not suggesting that at all. I am merely citing what I've observed recently. Someone here has to remember the details better than I do. But a man in Queens or Brooklyn had an unregistered pistol in his apartment, and used it to shoot an intruder. To the best of my knowledge, he did not go to jail or prison, and only had the firearm confiscated. I think there may have been a few other events like that recently, but I don't remember any details, I was hoping someone else would.
The other thing I mentioned was what someone else had said in a recent thread on Bernie Goetz. Did Bernie Goetz serve time? I know he got sued by the people he shot on the subway, but am not sure if he served time or what. It's a bit harder for me to know about, being 2 when it happened.
Aguila Blanca
Member
I think it's a mistake to equate a NYC resident who has an unregistered firearm in his apartment with a CT resident carrying an unregistered concealed handgun into NYC without a NYC license. The situations aren't remotely the same.
Billy, as for your Tennesee example, now you are changing the parameters, Travel from CT to TN with the gun locked in the trunk of the car is perfectly legal under the Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA) as long as you are legal to have the gun in the place where the trip begins, and in the place where the trip will end. If you are legal in CT and in TN, you can drive THROUGH NY, NJ, PA, MD, DE, VA and any other state legally ... if you comply with the law, which does not include keeping you gun loaded and on your hip in all the states you pass through. That's a totally different situation than going TO New York City.
I'm done. You asked for our opinions, then you argue with us, trying to convince us that you are right and we're wrong. As others have said, it's a personal decision. Go ahead and make your decision. I know what mine would be. Nothing in NYC is worth the risk of becoming a felon and being forever prohibited from even touching a firearm, ever again in my life. NOTHING.
Billy, as for your Tennesee example, now you are changing the parameters, Travel from CT to TN with the gun locked in the trunk of the car is perfectly legal under the Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA) as long as you are legal to have the gun in the place where the trip begins, and in the place where the trip will end. If you are legal in CT and in TN, you can drive THROUGH NY, NJ, PA, MD, DE, VA and any other state legally ... if you comply with the law, which does not include keeping you gun loaded and on your hip in all the states you pass through. That's a totally different situation than going TO New York City.
I'm done. You asked for our opinions, then you argue with us, trying to convince us that you are right and we're wrong. As others have said, it's a personal decision. Go ahead and make your decision. I know what mine would be. Nothing in NYC is worth the risk of becoming a felon and being forever prohibited from even touching a firearm, ever again in my life. NOTHING.
Gordon Fink
Member
Well, Bill, at least you’re being honest about your reasons now. (You’ve gone from being “dragged†to New York to “loving†the city’s attractions.) Do what you must, but please don’t advertise it on the Internet, unless you are volunteering to be a Second Amendment test case. I’m afraid you’ve already provided more than enough evidence to be tracked down, arrested, prosecuted, and probably convicted. Good luck …
~G. Fink
~G. Fink
Lots of nice hypothetical and anecdotal stuff here, and I was pretty good at it, too, until around three weeks ago.
First, I'll reinforce what a couple of other people have said. The initial post was, in part, an invitation to endorse illegal behavior. I will ignore that aspect of it, as any commonsense person should do. O.F. Fascist said it best when he said each person has to decide for themselves whether or not they're going to obey a given law.
Now, as for the three weeks ago. I've lived a little more than three decades on this planet, and never was threatened with a gun until three weeks ago. My daughter and I were on the way back to her apartment after having dinner at a neighborhood restaurant in an area of north Chicago which shall remain nameless. About a block from her place, we were accosted by Mr. Armed Robber, who displayed a (chrome or stainless, it was pretty dark) handgun, and demanded our folding cash. My daughter gave up the dollar she was carrying, and I gave him the eighty-odd bucks in my wallet. His only concern seemed to be money, and my only concern was that he didn't get my credit cards or driver's license. I tried the "Jedi Mind Trick, saying, as I handed him the cash, "You don't need my credit cards." He agreed, and we left.
As we walked the block to my daughter's apartment, the first thought that came into my head was "Would I have handled that any differently if I had been packing?" The answer was, and still is- no.
First, I'll reinforce what a couple of other people have said. The initial post was, in part, an invitation to endorse illegal behavior. I will ignore that aspect of it, as any commonsense person should do. O.F. Fascist said it best when he said each person has to decide for themselves whether or not they're going to obey a given law.
Now, as for the three weeks ago. I've lived a little more than three decades on this planet, and never was threatened with a gun until three weeks ago. My daughter and I were on the way back to her apartment after having dinner at a neighborhood restaurant in an area of north Chicago which shall remain nameless. About a block from her place, we were accosted by Mr. Armed Robber, who displayed a (chrome or stainless, it was pretty dark) handgun, and demanded our folding cash. My daughter gave up the dollar she was carrying, and I gave him the eighty-odd bucks in my wallet. His only concern seemed to be money, and my only concern was that he didn't get my credit cards or driver's license. I tried the "Jedi Mind Trick, saying, as I handed him the cash, "You don't need my credit cards." He agreed, and we left.
As we walked the block to my daughter's apartment, the first thought that came into my head was "Would I have handled that any differently if I had been packing?" The answer was, and still is- no.
Eagle 477
Member
Here's one for ya
I live in NY not NYC and have a NY State LTC for over 30 years.
1) I don't go into NYC ( Cant find any reason to)
2) I shop in Ct (less tax)
3) I carry in Ct. (they were nice enough to issue me a carry lic.
Bob
I live in NY not NYC and have a NY State LTC for over 30 years.
1) I don't go into NYC ( Cant find any reason to)
2) I shop in Ct (less tax)
3) I carry in Ct. (they were nice enough to issue me a carry lic.
Bob
P95Carry
Moderator Emeritus
I have some places I would like to visit - bike trips with my wife in many cases. However, I have to keep most all our excursions to PA. Simply because I do not feel like ''trying my luck'' when attempting to carry out of state ... our contiguous states are not gun friendly, tho I know OH is better now but - no reciprocity yet. Sure as heck am not straying into MD, NJ or NY territory illegally carrying.
My near refusal to give up my right to carry means there are some places we may never get to visit, ever. I regret that but - I equally resent having to relinquish my carry. I am obliged to take only my legal options.
Illegal carry into NYC just ain't on ... to do so even trivializes the ''judged by 12 ....'' deal. Regretably.
My near refusal to give up my right to carry means there are some places we may never get to visit, ever. I regret that but - I equally resent having to relinquish my carry. I am obliged to take only my legal options.
Illegal carry into NYC just ain't on ... to do so even trivializes the ''judged by 12 ....'' deal. Regretably.
WvaBill
Member
P95,
Come on, VA is open carry and very gun-friendly. WV is open carry, more posted places(state offices), and great bike trails.
WV B
P95Carry
Moderator Emeritus
Bill - well trouble is, when I go to WV I tend to go the ''long way'' ... so as to cross into there from PA without hittin MD ... true that is possible - just makes for longer trip!. But VA ... hard to reach without the ''MD traverse'' even if at the narrowest point.WvaBill said:
I know re open carry in both but until I have my FL non-res, I have no reciprocity advantage and also .. if out of state then surely I would be also not deemed able to open carry in either.?
WvaBill
Member
West Virginia permits anyone who can lawfully possess a handgun to carry an unconcealed handgun. If you choose to carry an unconcealed handgun in your vehicle and are stopped by a law-enforcement officer, you must understand that that the weapon will immediately attract the attention of the police officer.
I know the problem. Stop in Martinsburg, after having driven over 300 mi. Disarm for 20 mi. Stop at first PA rest area and rearm. And I hope my holster is legal .
Not that big a problem to get to Lancaster County.
I know the problem. Stop in Martinsburg, after having driven over 300 mi. Disarm for 20 mi. Stop at first PA rest area and rearm. And I hope my holster is legal
.Not that big a problem to get to Lancaster County.
Mannlicher
Member
Oh? There are laws about that? Well day-ummmm
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
