Gun Geezer
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If not at work then I am carrying.
CCL/CCW Holder who actually carry.
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One of the odd things that I have run into is people not having holsters. They'll call me all eager to take their CCW class, they have their gun, they can't wait to start carrying and I ask them if they have a holster and they say "uh... no" People in Illinois have never been able to carry so they've given very little thought to things like holsters and gun belts.
Another thing with people in Illinois is that since carry was never an option, concealability / portability really was not their main criteria for choosing guns.
A lot of the guns that my students have are full sized autos.
I'm not saying you can't conceal those, but I think after some of these people haul around these full sized 35 or so once pistols, they wont carry every day all day, day in and day out.
The idea that you won't need a gun unless you go into a dangerous area just doesn't work out many times.
Another thing with people in Illinois is that since carry was never an option, concealability / portability really was not their main criteria for choosing guns.
A lot of the guns that my students have are full sized autos.
I'm not saying you can't conceal those, but I think after some of these people haul around these full sized 35 or so once pistols, they wont carry every day all day, day in and day out.
The idea that you won't need a gun unless you go into a dangerous area just doesn't work out many times.
Panzerschwein
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I agree with the OP. It's been quite a lot of time and money on my part, so when my CCW license (Kansas) gets here I plan to be an every-day carrier with a S&W 642! I've hear the #1 rule of concealed carry (behind safety rules) is to CARRY ALL THE TIME. NO EXCUSES.
That's exactly what I plan to do!
That's exactly what I plan to do!
I carry everywhere legal as do my wife and son. But I do know at least 4 others that have permits but don't carry very often, if at all. We have discussed it several times and I just don't get why they don't carry. They have no excuses just don't carry. They have all renewed their permit several times.
Catshooter
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My guess is that from five to ten percent that have permits actually carry.
Knowing that it won't ever really, really happen to them is why people don't carry. Permits or no. And that is by far most people, even people who post on gun forums.
Look at the German Jews prior to World War II. Same thing, they knew it wouldn't really happen.
Sad but true.
Cat
Knowing that it won't ever really, really happen to them is why people don't carry. Permits or no. And that is by far most people, even people who post on gun forums.
Look at the German Jews prior to World War II. Same thing, they knew it wouldn't really happen.
Sad but true.
Cat
I carry everywhere I legally can, which in my state is damn near everywhere. Going on 5 years now. I have a few friends that have their CCL, and I've never had to remind them to carry. Nobody in my immediate family carries, but they all know I do and have mentioned that they feel a little safer when I'm around
My fiancé knows I carry and expects it of me. She's even given me a verbal gun check a few times just to make sure I remembered. Oh how lucky I am
My fiancé knows I carry and expects it of me. She's even given me a verbal gun check a few times just to make sure I remembered. Oh how lucky I am
ThePeanut
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I carry all the time. I even carry in bed. I sleep with cut off jeans. Slip on shoes by bed. Gun in holster in belt. Have not had a single night without it in over twenty years.
When that door is kicked in I don't need to be dashing off to a safe, or digging in a drawer for a gun.
It's right where I need it. All the time.
This will most likely be the wrong place to say this but at least it isn't rude or anything like that.
Tell me why are so many of you so interested in converting a semi to full. I spent time in combat zones being shot at and vice versa in Vietnam I never used full auto. Never understood why so many when they pulled the trigger were not even looking just spraying.Just about the only thing I consider full auto good for is a keep their heads down for a moment to reposition etc.
The only thing that is even close to full auto that I consider worth the trouble is converting to auto double tap. It's completely legal and just as difficult or actually more difficult to make a weapon do. However, it is legal according to the ATF and is great for knock down.
For those who don't know what it is it's a modification so a trigger pull fires then the release of the trigger fires again.
So if you just pull and instantly release you get two shots.
I have a letter from ATF stating since the gun fires only once when the trigger is pulled instead of firing repeatedly until released, it is not considered full auto. Their words are "Machine Gun." It also goes on to say one pull fires and one release fires does not constitute a full auto definition.
FYI. The weapon by my bed "not the hand gun in my belt" is double tap. It's a modified sear.
I saw some where on the Internet the drawings to convert the AR-`15 to double tap. May have it some where but I have no intention of searching several hundred TB of data for it so don't ask.
I don't have an AR-15 so probably didn't save it anyway. Don't personally have much use for one.
It's OK. I have no difference with you if you love it. I just don't care for it.
I can carry mine down the road and no one pays attention to me. If it was the AR I probably would be questioned by police. Just the way it looks.
When a government fears the people you have freedom!
When the people fear the government you have Tyranny!
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When that door is kicked in I don't need to be dashing off to a safe, or digging in a drawer for a gun.
It's right where I need it. All the time.
This will most likely be the wrong place to say this but at least it isn't rude or anything like that.
Tell me why are so many of you so interested in converting a semi to full. I spent time in combat zones being shot at and vice versa in Vietnam I never used full auto. Never understood why so many when they pulled the trigger were not even looking just spraying.Just about the only thing I consider full auto good for is a keep their heads down for a moment to reposition etc.
The only thing that is even close to full auto that I consider worth the trouble is converting to auto double tap. It's completely legal and just as difficult or actually more difficult to make a weapon do. However, it is legal according to the ATF and is great for knock down.
For those who don't know what it is it's a modification so a trigger pull fires then the release of the trigger fires again.
So if you just pull and instantly release you get two shots.
I have a letter from ATF stating since the gun fires only once when the trigger is pulled instead of firing repeatedly until released, it is not considered full auto. Their words are "Machine Gun." It also goes on to say one pull fires and one release fires does not constitute a full auto definition.
FYI. The weapon by my bed "not the hand gun in my belt" is double tap. It's a modified sear.
I saw some where on the Internet the drawings to convert the AR-`15 to double tap. May have it some where but I have no intention of searching several hundred TB of data for it so don't ask.
I don't have an AR-15 so probably didn't save it anyway. Don't personally have much use for one.
It's OK. I have no difference with you if you love it. I just don't care for it.
I can carry mine down the road and no one pays attention to me. If it was the AR I probably would be questioned by police. Just the way it looks.
When a government fears the people you have freedom!
When the people fear the government you have Tyranny!
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Vodoun da Vinci
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Exactly what I'm finding - they are so hooked up on getting the paper to let them carry that they have completely forgotten stuff like proficiency, the right weapon, holster, dressing for concealment and when and where to carry.
I'm probably the Odd Duck due to my martial past and having trained with LEO and Military but one does not have to look very hard to realize that carrying a full size 1911 (or whatever) is gonna be a chore for a lot of these people. Especially since they have no holster and have not even evaluated their body type and life styles and habits to understand that a shoulder holster or outside the waistband holster and the gun hidden under a suit coat (which they don't even own and would never wear) is not a valid option.
Discussions at the LGS turn sour a bit when I ask them about what they intend to carry and how when they get their CCL.
And when exactly *are* you gonna need that gun? When do you know someone is gonna try and take your life? Probably not when you think it is - probably not in a "bad part of town"...probably when you least need the hassle or suspect someone is gonna walk into a shop or store and start shooting or in a parking lot down town.
VooDoo
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The funny thing about conceal carry is, if done correctly you will never know if someone is carrying or not.
Not everyone who gets their carry permit does so to carry. I know a guy who's wife got her conceal carry permit so she can legally transport his gun home from the hospital if he needs to stay. (he's not well) Another got her permit so that the local politicians can see that more of their constituents have a carry than don't so they won't vote for gun control. There are plenty of reasons to get your carry and not carry.
Not everyone who gets their carry permit does so to carry. I know a guy who's wife got her conceal carry permit so she can legally transport his gun home from the hospital if he needs to stay. (he's not well) Another got her permit so that the local politicians can see that more of their constituents have a carry than don't so they won't vote for gun control. There are plenty of reasons to get your carry and not carry.
Vodoun da Vinci
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That's a good perspective and I was ignorant of it. Thank you for pointing it out!
VooDoo
Anti-gunners like Lee Goodman and Coleen Daley are constantly waging an info war on what the numbers mean. But it does make their job harder when they have to deal with 400,000 people applying for permits, but they spin it by saying 97% of Illinois citizens - Not Interested in Carrying Firearms.
I got my permit about 2 years ago, didn't carry a whole lot. I've starting carrying everywhere the past year. My buddy and his wife got theirs a few months after me, but really don't carry at all. They just put a gun in their glovebox, which in KY you don't need a CCW for. My fiance knows I carry everywhere. Funny thing is, she has said she's uncomfortable with guns, but seems comforted by my CCW when we're out late at night driving home. Guess I need to take her shooting more
g_one
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I have my pocket gun (Beretta Nano) with me 24/7. Stays in my pocket unless I'm going into a federal building/hospital etc. then it gets slipped into my messenger bag which stays in the car.
I have larger guns that I carry if I know I'm not going to be doing a lot of sitting. My body size and how low my belt sits on me makes any sort of waist carry print quite a bit, and uncomfortable in the car. But if I'm out doing shopping, walking, attending an event that I'll be doing mostly standing, one of my bigger guns gets carried (1911, formerly FNP-9)
I have larger guns that I carry if I know I'm not going to be doing a lot of sitting. My body size and how low my belt sits on me makes any sort of waist carry print quite a bit, and uncomfortable in the car. But if I'm out doing shopping, walking, attending an event that I'll be doing mostly standing, one of my bigger guns gets carried (1911, formerly FNP-9)
chicharrones
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Awesome responses, Guys!
But I'm more curious about the folks around you that have permits and licenses....I'd expect most of us "Gun Nuts" to have our pistols whenever possible. But what bout the "average" folks around you that have paper to carry?
Do they?
VooDoo
I have no way of polling the CHL public out there to know the overall picture in Texas. I did take my first CHL class years ago with 2 co-workers and 2 friends so that's all I have to go on.
I carry 95% of the time, restricted only by laws keeping me from carrying in some places.
One co-worker carries as much as I do at 95% or better.
The other co-worker didn't carry at all for the first three years of his license. Then he finally got a carry gun with a holster and probably carries 50%-70% of the time.
One friend of that class carries one in her purse at the usual 95% or better.
The other friend got the license just because we all did and really only keeps a gun in his truck.
chicharrones
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Funny story.
My friend, his wife and two oldest boys have their CHL.
Last year the wife and her three boys were in their Jeep. The second oldest boy was driving.
They were pulled over for speeding.
The boy gave the Officer his Driver's License and CHL and said I have a gun on me.
Even though he didn't have to do it, the oldest brother told the Officer,
I also have a CHL and have my gun on me.
Then the wife told the Officer,
I to have a CHL and I'm carrying a gun.
By now the Officer is cracking up laughing.
He asked the Wife if the youngest son had a CHL and gun also?
She said, No, he's only 13 but he's been shooting since he was 6 and could easily pass the CHL class but he's too young.
The Officer laughing, told them they can go, they certainly are well armed.
I can imagine the Officer telling that story to his buddies.
That's a good one. I would be laughing too.
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Don't know about everyone else but I carry whenever I am able. Can't at work.
Arkansas Paul
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..........isn't scared of anything?
I carry most of the time.
I'm a college student, so I can't carry on campus.
seastrike
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I had my permit for ten years and never carried around town. I really just had it so I could have a grouse pistol up front in the truck legally.
Two and a half years ago some deranged asshat killed a little old couple for no reason and I was nearby with my kid and no gun.
I went out and bought a carry gun the next day. I took a three day self defense pistol class and I've carried every single day since (except when visiting family in CA).
This also evolved into shooting IDPA once or twice a month. My 14 year old shoots the pistol games with me as well which is awesome.
Long winded post to say I now carry daily and love it.
Two and a half years ago some deranged asshat killed a little old couple for no reason and I was nearby with my kid and no gun.
I went out and bought a carry gun the next day. I took a three day self defense pistol class and I've carried every single day since (except when visiting family in CA).
This also evolved into shooting IDPA once or twice a month. My 14 year old shoots the pistol games with me as well which is awesome.
Long winded post to say I now carry daily and love it.
JohnBiltz
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When I got my CCW I had no plan to carry, it was just that if I needed to be carrying I would be needing to be carrying right now not 3 months from now so I should get one now so I would have one when/if I needed one. I did not start carrying until a life long violent felon moved in next door and immediately started an on going criminal enterprise. After they finally got him for a parole violation I kept on carrying.
Godsgunman
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If I walk out the door Im strapped. I carry everywhere no matter what. The powers that be in my state passed a law that basically stripped the power of the "no gun" signs. Unless the business has security or a place to check the gun then the sign holds no power of law and all they can do is ask you to leave. Plus concealed means concealed so I always have it on me.
I have that same problem. Courts here in KY ruled that even if you can't carry on campus, you can keep it locked in your car. So I carry to and from campus, especially if I'm running other errands.Arkansas Paul said:
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http://www.kentucky.com/2012/04/26/2165507/supreme-court-says-gun-in-glovebox.html
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