CCW 1911, cocked and locked or no?

[zahc]

zahc,
When I aquire a shooting grip on a 1911, using the thumbs forward grip, the safety on my 1911s are disengaged. No concious thought, or action.

I'm getting to that point myself, but I carry a government model (no beavertail or extended safety nonsense) and I don't use a trendy 'high thumbs' grip. Besides, what if you need to use it left handed or something?

 

[shooter1]

And a holster that disengages the safety lock is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Sorry Vern, don't follow you on that one. As you and I know, the pistol is not going to fire in the holster with the thumb safety off. When I have to draw the weapon you can bet the safety will be off! I don't see a liability issue here.

zahc,
The thumbs forward grip (or variations thereof) has been around for longer than I can remember, (and that's a long time) well at least since the advent of the extended safety. The extended safety is a good place to rest the shooting hand thumb, and also helps insure that you don't have too much finger in the trigger guard.
If you have to make a 1911 ready with the left hand, the easiest way I've found is to use the trigger finger of the left hand to disengage the safety. Not very fast, but drawing with the off hand from a strong side holster is a bit slow as well! I take it from your post that you have tried extended safetys and beavertails and didn't like them. I am just the opposite, all my 1911s have them. I would consider myself to be working at a handicap without them. Heck, I even have a couple nowdays with ambi extended safeties!! Horror of Horrors, huh?


str1

 

[seeker_two]

I have not heard any valid argument for condition 2 carry, other than personal preference.

And that's all I've argued....it's a preference--and an option. One can carry a 1911 safely this way if one wants to.

It offers no advantage, real or imagined, over condition 1.

Condition 2 is condition 2 no matter how the gun is carried, dropped, or kicked. The chances of the hammer accidentally getting cocked are nill. 1911 safeties are rarely, but regularly, accidentally flipped off.

Also, if a BG gets it away from you, it will take a little time for him to figure out how to fire it (esp. if he's used to Glocks or Condition 1 1911s). And in a fight, every millisecond counts....

The primary "advantage" is that Condition 1 doesn't give you an opportunity to slip and have an ND while decocking and recocking.

We've already addressed this irrational fear of decocking.....

I once had a duty holster that somehow disengaged the thumb safety durring the course of the day.

Seems like a good holster (& reason) for Condition 2 carry....

I've been strongly considering carrying in condition 0 as a matter of course. Why? Well, why not?

Can't argue your reasoning...but the thought still makes me nervous. Maybe someone can sell you a holster that does that for you automatically...

My main point....Condition 2 carry is a viable, safe option with practice...just like all the others....

 

[shooter1]

My main point....Condition 2 carry is a viable, safe option with practice...just like all the others....

If it works for you, great! Other than your preference, there is still no valid reason to carry in a manner that adds time to your presentation for a defensive pistol. I don't care how much you pratice, I don't believe condition 2can be as fast a presentation as condition 1. If you are happy with that, I'm tickled too.:banghead:
str1

 

[mrcpu]

No more so than decocking a SAA or any DA revolver. And a lot safer than relying only on a mechanical decocker (ala Walther P-38/P-1)....

Maybe I'm just dense, but on a revolver, can't you just open the cylinder and drop the hammer, close the cylinder?

I guess I assumed th eissue with decocking a 1911 was that no matter how you sliced it, a persons hand was controlling the dro pof the hammer.

If a million monkeys worked a million safeties in condition 1, or a million decock's to and from condition 2, I bet a whole lot more monkeys would have ND's in the latter...

 

[PotatoJudge]

Maybe I'm just dense, but on a revolver, can't you just open the cylinder and drop the hammer, close the cylinder?

After the hammer is cocked, no, you can't swing out the cylinder.

Anyway, I do stuff everyday that a monkey would kill itself trying. Don't live by the "monkey standard."

But I get what you're saying, and pretty much agree.

 

[seeker_two]

If it works for you, great! Other than your preference, there is still no valid reason to carry in a manner that adds time to your presentation for a defensive pistol. I don't care how much you pratice, I don't believe condition 2can be as fast a presentation as condition 1. If you are happy with that, I'm tickled too. :banghead:

Great. I'm glad to have tickled you....

If a million monkeys worked a million safeties in condition 1, or a million decock's to and from condition 2, I bet a whole lot more monkeys would have ND's in the latter...

If You Give a Monkey a 1911....hey, isn't that a children's story or something?...

Are we done here? I'm not trying to convince anyone (or tickle anyone, BTW) into carrying Condition 2, but I still hold that it IS a viable option for those willing to practice it. And that is that....

 

[sara bellum]

how the 1911 safety works

http://handgunsandammo.proboards36.com/index.cgi?board=1911&action=display&thread=1162239958