CCW and dogs?

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If you’re attacked by a dog, it’s most likely not a trained dog. That said, I’m going to assume the dog has had bite training and will bite the arm holding a weapon. If defending with a knife, keep the knife close to your hip with the other arm in front (kinda like a ‘half’ fighting stance, but arm a little lower). You need a good firm stance so the dog does not take you off your feet. With one arm made the easy target, the hand with the weapon should be safe. It’s better to accept the fact that one arm is going to get smashed; at least you get to choose which arm. Yes I’ve done this and yes it requires a trip to the ER.

If anyone is interested in seeing how powerful a 100 lb dog is, check out the video in the below link. FYI, Sequoyah GSD are great folks if you’re looking for a good dog.

http://sequoyah-german-shepherds.com/wasko's_videos.htm
 
Has anyone here ever been in an altercation with a pit bull or other attacking animal, and considered protecting themselves?
Absolutely, except I wasn't armed at the time. Unfortunately, it was my parents' dog.

I got the rottweiler for Christmas when I was 15. Loved that dog. He slept in my bed with me, or I'd sneak off and sleep in his bed with him. Fast forward four years.

I'm on leave from the Air Force, and visiting my parents. I'm out walking the dog and decide to let him off his leash so he can run freely for a bit (my parents live on 8 acres in a very rural area). The dog runs onto the property line of guy next house down the way (who I've always suspected of shooting a dog of mine when I was around 12). I chase dog and attempt to pick him up and carry him home so he doesn't get shot.

When I wrap my arms around the dog's chest to pick him up, the dog snaps for my neck; I dodge, and he catches my lip/cheek with his mouth, and tears it up badly. He's lunging for me and snapping while my blood is pouring all over the dog's face while I hold him by the scruff of his neck. My dad hears me calling for him and comes and restrains dog with leash. For whatever reason, the dog never turned on my dad, but for the next couple days, every time I even went outside the house, that dog was going crazy. So we put him down.

Yeah, I'd have shot him in a heartbeat at the time he turned on me. But even if I had been armed, I didn't have time to react.
 
This may be a bit off topic for this...but I'd like to share it anyway...there is some food for thought in it.

I haul combines all over the country and deliver them to farmers (the company I haul for leases the combines out to them)...anyway, I delivered one today and the farmer was not there (which is common...they are busy folks)...anyway, I pulled in there and went to unchaining the combine and while I was under it a pitbull that musta weighed all of 80 lbs. climbed under there with me, he came from out of nowhere and was on me before I knew what was going on....


I swear I thought he was gonna waller me to death under there, after thoroughly slobbering all over me he went and grabbed an old ragged softball and came running back and dropped it few feet away....then gave it a swat with a front paw that would make any soccer player jealous...knocked it right between my legs....he wanted to play, and it was kinda hard to tell him no so we had a nice game of fetch...which turned into "catch me if you can"...he'd come almost to me with the ball, then stop...I'd step towards him, and he'd dodge me...he thoroughly enjoyed it, and so did I to be honest. (I've always liked dogs...and they generally like me too)

After about 30 minutes of that the farmer showed up and I was able to get the combine unloaded...but guess who was comfortably snoozing in my sleeper when I got in the truck to leave (I gotta quit leaving my door open...)

Just food for thought...not every pitbull you see is gonna try to rip ya a new one. Most of the bad ones were made that way by their owners.

This one (named Dutch)...was as friendly as could be, 5 years old, brindled, beautiful, and quite intelligent from what I saw.

I had my G36 on me, but I'll be honest...he was all over me before I knew he was anywhere around. Its been VERY windy here (CO) today, so I never heard him coming...

Again...punish the deed, not the breed.
 
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Awww. Nice to hear a story about a good and well trained pitbull. Stupid negligent owners really give them a bad name. They seem to be getting more popular for responsible owners in Dallas. Seen several cute women with cute pitbull puppies that are well trained.

There are no bad dogs (unless they just go nuts, brain tumor?), only bad owners.
 
the one day a few weeks back I did not have my Bersa on me my wife and I took our dog a bulldog/beagle mix for a short walk on a leash we got in our door yard almost in the house when a unknown dog came across the road and attacked my dog, by time I got in the house and the gun the owner had hit her dog with a board to get it off my dog and in the road, her dog was an Australian cattle dog she said he don't like other dogs and I told her next time it is in my yard I shoot on site said it in front of animal controll he told her I have the right to.
The good thing my dog is ok the loose bulldog skin saved her from her windpipe being bit in to but I will never leave my with out my gun again
so please do not just blame pitbull, rottweiler, dobermans there are a lot of aggressive dogs out there you might not even know
 
Bad owners make bad dogs. We’re asking too much of a dog if we’re asking it to be better behaved than its owner. The smarter the dog, the more training is required; a smart dog without proper training and a job to do will get destructive. Unfortunately, some of the dumbest-among-us tend to gravitate towards a generally smart dog like a pit.

Some breeds often have temperament issues as they age; rottweilers are a prime example. Pit bull terriers can get pretty edgy with age, especially if they’re not continually socialized. It’s rare, but some GSD’s will develop extreme temperament issues in +/- year 2 or 3; it’s possible for their brain to grow larger than the skull allows, causing mental issues.
 
Wow, these stories are really interesting. My neighbors, who were terrible pet owners got rid of a MEAN german shepherd/ lab (or something like that) after it bit some people....only to get a pit bull!! They moved about a month ago, and I am glad too, cause those people did not know how to train dogs.... and in turn, the dog may have eventually gotten a .223 through the head.
 
Related in an off-hand way...

I learned after I bought my rural property that a neighbor a few lots away (a couple thousand yards) was raising tigers... yes tigers. TG that fooled moved away and, hopefully, none were lost or set free. I haven't seen or heard any but, if I do, I'll not hesitate to shoot.
 
had some bad neighbors with equally bad dogs for a while... after multiple attacks on the farm animals and aggressive behavior towards us I put them all 3 down. Not sad a bit. Mind you this was after numerous trips to their house and lots of empty promises not to let them roam free anymore. It's just not pleasant to be out in your own garden in the middle of 30 acres you own to be harassed by a dog trying to bite you. Those dogs killed several of our turkeys, and though the owners were sincerely apologetic, they had to go. The owner wasn't even really that upset about it.

Might be a little off topic, because it wasn't a ccw situation. In this state (north carolina) there are no restrictions on getting your farm classified as a farm (other than zoning ordinances) and doing such will greatly improve your property rights.
 
Walking with wife in our subdivision when a large dog saw us from a block away, turned and ran at us agressively, barking, growling. I had plenty of time to draw and was ready for him, but he stopped 20-ft away and continued to bark/growl. It was a stand-off. Seconds later the owner approached with a leash in hand, but could not call the dog off. I was yelling at the owner to get the dog under control , the dog was barking and a few neighbors had noticed the ruckus, and I'm thinking the police might show up. The situation was diffused when the owner asked to approach me and put his arm around my shoulder -- then the dog settled down. My wife and I were very frightened, and adrenaline had kicked in. After reholstering, I was shaking.

I've owned some great dogs, but these days they are increasingly a liability -- especially some breeds regardless of whether the reputation is deserved. If you fail to control your dog, you can quickly end up in court and rightly so.
 
^^^That's right, of course. The old saying about owning each bullet fired from your gun also applies to your own dog's choppers.
 
Has anyone here ever been in an altercation with a pit bull or other attacking animal, and considered protecting themselves? I have been in a few memorable situations recently, notably one where I crossed a large pit bull with a seemingly aggressive owner (letting the lead loose so the the dog can get within a few feet of me, and pulling it back).

Would you draw on the dog? Or when does the owner need to know that you are not willing to participate in his immaturity? When would you cross the line of protecting yourself by taking an attacking animal down?
Yes, yes, and yes.

On more than one occasion. I hike 5 miles daily along the county road for exercise. I had a pit bull come out after me once -- he got through a fence put there to restrain him. I drew on him, and he sensed I was not easy prey. His owner came out and got him. No more problems.

I had an English setter come out after me repeatedly -- his owner was both immature and aggressive, and the dog was cuing off his owner. I finally started carrying pepper spray, and the dog avoids me like the plague now.
 
Yes! I live in a populated but rural area. I go running often (and carry a S&W BG .38 or .380) and often get chased by aggressive dogs. There are also coyotes where I live. I have seen them while running at odd hours. Although the coyotes have never been aggressive, I keep in mind that they can spread rabbis and other diseases among dogs... particularly wild dogs.
I love dogs, particularly GSDs, but I will not hesitate if an aggressive dog or other animal heads after my family.
 
My father, who is in his 80's, lives alone. His house is on a private lane in the countryside on a few acres. His house is waterfront, with a field across the road behind him, but houses on both sides. He can walk from his house to his detached garage, about 75 feet, and not be seen, unless it's by someone on a boat.
About ten years ago, a couple rented the house next door. They brought with them a large Rottweiler that was kept in a small chainlink pen.
My father is a dog and animal lover, and has continuously owned a large dog of some sort since the early 60's. He would even keep boxes of dog bones in his garage to give to neighbor's dogs. In the summer time, he makes sure a neighbor's horse has water. Anyway, he made attempts to befriend this new neighbor's dog, but it always charged the fence and acted aggressive.
Eventually the Rottweiler figured out how to escape the pen. If my father saw it loose, he would go inside. When the neighbors came home from work, they would call the dog and put it back in the pen.
One day the neighbor's dog rounded the corner of my father's house. My father was in the yard and saw the dog start running toward him. He ducked through the storm door of the garage just as the dog got to it. He said it stood there barking and growling at him through the screen. After a while it began pacing in front of the garage.
For four hours it stayed in my father's yard, while he was stuck in his garage. No phone, no bathroom, but at least a fridge with drinks in it.
After the neighbors came home later and caged the dog, my father walked over and gave them an earfull. The response he got was "it won't hurt you". No "sorry, we'll make sure it doesn't happen again" or any apology or solution offered.
Within a week, the Rott came charging my father again. He was out in the yard with no where to go. After he split the dog's forehead with one .357 Mag round, he called the Sheriff's dept. They came out and filed a report. He then loaded the dog in his wheel barrow and rolled it next door.
When the neighbors got home, they had a dog to bury and were cited for having an untagged dog on the loose. My father was not charged with anything.
He called me that night to tell me what had happened. I could tell he felt really bad about killing that dog, but it was survival.
The renters moved away at the end of the month.
 
Let me preface by saying I LOVE dogs and have owned more than a couple in my lifetime. I have had several of the different KILLER breeds and couldn't ask for a better dog. I have also had altercations with the KILLER breeds and shot the dog. Just because it's a pitbull doesn't make it a human aggresive dog. Please don't jump to conclusions because a large dog is near you! I see this to often! Pitbulls are dog aggresive I can't argue that but it DOES have alot to do with the owners! They are/were breed to be people friendly. Do a search and see which breed statsically is responsible for the most bites!!

Having said all that....if you feel your life (or your pets) life is in danger.....by all means shoot the dog. And then cuss the owner!!!!
 
To the OP in that case shoot both. When I go for a walk it is most likely with my 110 lb Mastiff/Dane cross few people or even dogs come anywhere near. The few dogs that come at us snarling and carrying on seem suprised to learn that I, not Beast is the greater threat. Years of reading water meters taught me how to handle such charges. My dog will go down on comand and stay while I deal with the problem. Here leaning on a 4' tall fence is Beast.
http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa392/AZyogi/Critters/Beast.jpg
 
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I have to disagree with some who believe that some breeds such as pit bulls, chow chows and others aren't more aggressive by nature. There are simply too many cases that indicate that they surely must be. That stated, there are plenty of chihuahuas and little terriers that are aggressive too... but they simply can't cause as much damage (as quickly). I do agree that just because a breed has the reputation of being killers it doesn't mean they all are. I've seen evidence of all this.
 
Why wouldn't you shoot if you were being attacked?

WRT the jerk with the leashed animal that they let runout, call the cops right then and there and report the incident. You always want the first story they hear to be yours and not someone else's.
 
When we moved into our house some years back, our home was the 9th house built in this subdivision, the house across the street, 4 lots down, had a huge black Lab. One of the first days living here, I was moving items into the house from the garage, Lab appeared out of nowhere, growling and lunging at me, wouldn't back off. I managed to grab a rake and after jabbing him in the ribs twice, he left. I called PD and reported this, they came took report, advised and left. That afternoon, Lab back, same routine, only left quicker this time. After PD called 3 more times over the next 4 days, they wrote owner a ticket, $250.00 and appearance in court. Owner didn't have fenced yard, dog left to his own devices. I kept loaded shotgun in garage in case dog came back, never showed up while armed. After a couple more neighbors complained enough, and 4 court appearances with fines doubling with each appearance, the dog disappeared! I sure didn't want to destroy the dog, we have 2 ourselves, but there comes a time when enough is enough!
 
I , too, got my ccw after a run in with a dog--It was in my own fenced front yard. Something called a royal pit bull--long enough legs to jump a 4 ft fence.

But, outside of my property I would bend over backwards not shoot a dog because I think the law would go against you if you had not been bit. When I go for walks i always carry a stout walking stick. I have found that tapping the end on the ground lets a dog know you are armed and serious, but doesn`t look too aggressive to humanoid passers by.

The one time I was tempted was when a large shepard mix was harassing a young girl down the street. She was running away crying and as I approached yelling it turned and ran. It saved it`s own life and me a lot of hassle.

If you local animal control office is useless, try this: After calling them twice giving them an acurate description of the dog and it's address and they do nothing, send a registered letter letter to the City Attorney explaining the situation to him and politely asking him what HE is going to do with HIS dog.
 
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Pit Bulls, Chows, Rottweilers and a few other breeds are more likely to come from aggressive lines. A pup from an aggressive line will be an aggressive dog. If the puppy you buy comes from a line of dope guard dogs or fighting dogs someone will probably get hurt. Dog fighting is still popular is some parts of OK. Without knowing the lineage of the animal, adopting a big dog can be a crapshoot.

The Russians have studied dog, fox and wolf behavior for about 100 years. They take the pup from the mother soon after birth. The pup from an aggressive line matures into an aggressive dog. The pup from a non-aggressive line grows up to be non-aggressive. They will often give the pup from an aggressive line to an non-aggressive mother to raise; the pup still matures into an aggressive dog. The reverse is also true.
 
Yep -- in fact, they have bred in traits like non-aggression in some and aggression in others -- to the point where they have produced some animals that love humans, and others that hate them.
 
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