CCW at a dinner party?

[zahc]

if you're that damned scared, stay home.

If you are that damn scared, post one of those nice 'gun free zone' signs on your door. I deliver pizza and see quite a few of them.

I can only assume if you ran a store that you would also prohibit carry by customers, since you don't know anything about them, and you wouldn't be comfortable letting people you know well enough to invite for dinner to come as they are.

I don't shop at stores that let it be known I'm not welcome, so it's safe to say you won't have me over any time soon.

I don't know why you are at THR with such beliefs and attitudes, but whatever.

 

[kaferhaus]

I expect that if you invited Bob from accounting over for dinner and during the course of the meal the discussion turned to guns and he mentioned he was packing XYZ model of gun and you stood up and shot him you'd go to jail for a LOOOONNNNG time.

No I wouldn't shoot "Bob". But Bob would be shown the door immediately and anyone who "Bob" and I both knew would know that "Bob" was a "fruitcake" who likes to bring concealed firearms into other people's homes without their permission.

"Bob" would certainly lose whatever friends he ever had...

MOST southerners are polite folks and courteous to their hosts and guests, until they do something that shows a total lack of respect of their property and home.

 

[Dr.Rob]

I've sat down knowingly with a house full of people packing iron and thought nothing of it.

THR Colorado get-togethers are fun.

 

[kaferhaus]

It's really a basic disagreement here...

you guys think it's okay to carry a concealed loaded gun into someone's home without their permission.

It's against the law in many states, should be in all of them.

I think it's the most rude and impolite thing I could ever imagine anyone doing.

Like I said, I guess I just associate with nicer people, and certainly was raised to respect the sanctity of other peoples homes. And to ASK before doing something that my host may find objectionable.

It's called manners, and some of you guys just don't have any.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

No I wouldn't shoot "Bob". But Bob would be shown the door immediately and anyone who "Bob" and I both knew would know that "Bob" was a "fruitcake" who likes to bring concealed firearms into other people's homes without their permission.

"Bob" would certainly lose whatever friends he ever had...

MOST southerners are polite folks and courteous to their hosts and guests, until they do something that shows a total lack of respect of their property and home.

Was there some tragedy related to guns in your childhood? You seem to have some very strong emotions in association with them. Unless they are in someone's hand, or in the possession of a criminal, handguns are entirely harmless inanimate objects, just like a cigarette lighter or a pocket knife, both of which can also be used to cause great harm, but they are merely tools, and can do nothing by themselves. Therefore, if Bob from accounting happens to be packing a lighter, a pocket knife, or a revolver, he is still just Bob from accounting. The presence of the object does not transform him into the Boston Strangler, nor does it justify your sending him to his maker. Oh, and on that last point, if you intend to murder people because you don't like the objects they routinely carry on their persons, you had better develop the quick draw method to a fine art, because some people don't take kindly to being fired at out of the blue, and will return lead for lead. It's called the right to self defense, and the first person to draw is in the wrong, under the law.

 

[Travis Lee]

I think threatening to execute dinner guests is rude and impolite....

--Travis--

 

[zahc]

It's not about politeness, I fail to see how it's impolite for someone to assume they can carry in your house.

If you have some personal phobia or special requirement of people that come into your house, it seems your responsibility to let them know that.

It would be fair enough to notify them that you have a handgun phobia. But to expect them to anticipate that, and not assume that you will welcome them in your house the same way you have welcomed them in any other interaction is unreasonable.

I'm not a southerner, but maybe double standards, bigotry and hypocrisy are standard elements of ettiquette where you live.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

I think threatening to execute dinner guests is rude and impolite....

--Travis--

Yeah, ironic, right? I am going to execute every rude person I come across, because, gosh darn it, I just hates them rude folks. The world would be a better place if rude folks were just plain shot on sight, dag nabbit. Nothing worse than rude folks, except maybe those who would invite someone to dinner, and then based on their own quirky notion of an ettiquette faux pas, murder them.

 

[Kodiaz]

I think Kaferhaus is a troll. It's too bad, this could have been an exceptional thread.


I will say this Thanksgiving was at my cousin's house and due to the extremely lucrative nature of the "alarm" business here in South Fl if I had my CCW I would have carried at his house without telling him.

But if we are talking about normal folks I would ask. But if you don't want to ask well there is always that old adage "concealed means concealed"

 

[Old Dog]

Weirdly fascinating thread ... maybe it's just my sheltered lifestyle, but I guess I've always assumed that most guests who come to our house for dinner are packing (of course, my circle of friends are all in law enforcement, military and corrections) and don't have a problem with it.

I just expect that if our guests are going to be imbibing to any extent, they've locked their handguns in their vehicles.

Now, if I go with my wife to a function with her coworkers, friends or acquaintances, who are all physicians, nurses and healthcare professionals, we generally leave our arms locked in our car, unless we know the hosts well and they're either fellow gunfolk or don't have a problem with armed guests.

you guys think it's okay to carry a concealed loaded gun into someone's home without their permission.

Well, I think that's a judgement call and may depend on the situation. I'm picking up my kid at someone's house, I'm not going to remove the pistol. I'm invited to a barbeque/pool party and I don't know the people well, it's gonna stay in the car ... If there's Kerry/Edwards stickers still plastered all over the host family's Volvos, I may still keep the pistol with me just to feel better inside ...

It's against the law in many states, should be in all of them.

Why should it be against the law in all of them? Do you think LE should be exempt?

What's the difference between a cop carrying in your house or a law-abiding citizen licensed by your state to carry packing in your house?

 

[Mad Chemist]

In Alabama, you bet pal, you'd be a dead man. Under no circumstances can you bring a concealed weapon into someone's home without their permission.

It'd be like wearing a sign saying "shoot me, I'm an idiot"



In MY home anything you do is MY business.... you guys are unbelievable.... you go to someone else's home and just do as you please??

Talk about arrogance...

The question that started this thread answered itself..... if you have to ask such a question.... shouldn't it be obvious that maybe it's not a polite or courteous thing to do!

I'm glad we'll never need to worry about inviting each other to dinner.... I'd like to think I have better taste in who I'd invite.

Look in the mirror and see how many of the aformentioned traits apply.

JH

 

[Winzeler]

I don't give a crap what the law says. I do not surrender my Constitutionally recognized (not appropriated) right to the defense of myself and my family (who would almost certainly be in my company to any dinner party) by accepting any invitation to someone's private property. To me this is a clear-cut, black and white issue. I have even intentionally carried in the households of relatives whom I knew to be anti-gun when travelling with my family. I'm not giving up my primary means of defending us.


By the way, your hosts (whether they agree or not) benefit from your carrying in their home. You afford them protection whether they know it or like it...or not.

 

[kaferhaus]

dWhat's the difference between a cop carrying in your house or a law-abiding citizen licensed by your state to carry packing in your house?

In my state, it's illegal to "carry" in someone else's residence.

I have LEO friends, who are required to carry even when off duty. I'd have no problem with them.

I have many friends who just like me have CCWs. If I invite one of them over, they leave their guns in the car. If I go to their house, I leave my gun in the car. I have no business with a loaded gun in their house, as they have none with one in mine.

No childhood phobia's for the guy that asked.... I shot IPSC for 15yrs and have been in the Army longer than some of you guys have likely been alive.

Lifetime member of the NRA from back when it was only $200 for a lifetime membership.

Being pro-gun has nothing to do with this arguement and the guys that try to insinuate otherwise just have nothing of substance to add.

Just amazed that you guys think this is acceptable behaviour...

Plenty of guys watching this thread are not willing to "take the heat", but I've gotten more emails than you guy's can imagine from guys that think you're all "nuts".

 

[Dave Bean]

First, if I were to invite someone into my house for dinner, I would have to be relatively trusting of them. SO....I would let them carry into my house. I would hope they reciprocate.

Some of my friends know that I CCW, but they tell me not in their house, so I will respect that.

I don't drink at all when I carry so that's not an issue.

The gun is safest when I'm in total control (holstered on my body) I wouldn't leave it in the jacket that's hung in a closet or laid on the bed.

Finally, if I CCW into a dinner party, that will probably be one of the safest parties in the neighborhood...for all the members of the dinner party. I will protect their lives as well as mine, they just fail to realize it.

Dave Bean

 

[TexasRifleman]

Plenty of guys watching this thread are not willing to "take the heat", but I've gotten more emails than you guy's can imagine from guys that think you're all "nuts".

Well then since you're the designated whipping boy, make an argument for your position. You haven't done that. All you've said is "don't carry in mine and I won't carry in yours".

What is your argument?

In Texas at least there is no law against carrying on ANY private property that is not properly marked with an appropriate sign, private residence or public business.

If you're inviting people into your home for a dinner party, you'd think you know them well enough to trust them with a firearm. If not, why the hell did you invite them to dinner?

 

[kaferhaus]

By the way, your hosts (whether they agree or not) benefit from your carrying in their home. You afford them protection whether they know it or like it...or not.

Now that's sweet.... you enter someone's home armed without their knowledge and you think you're doing them a favor??

Your mama drop you on your head when you were little?

 

[Old Dog]

So you differentiate between LEOs and legally-packing citizens? Even when the citizens are your friends?

No offense intended, but that's hogwash, plain and simple.

I shot IPSC for 15yrs and have been in the Army longer than some of you guys have likely been alive.

Relevance? I just put in 26 years active duty, worked in civilian law enforcement, and am now back in law enforcement. I have also competed in various competitive forms of shooting.

Just amazed that you guys think this is acceptable behaviour...

Well, perhaps many of us simply trust the folks we invite into our homes.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

If I caught someone in my home with a concealed weapon, they'd be explaining to the lord that it was legal.

Guaranteed there's no jury in the land that'd convict me for shooting your ass for bringing a loaded concealed weapon to a "dinner party" at my home.... and the fact that you did this without my knowledge will be enough for me to assume you intended to harm someone in my home.

Hello?

Why would you assume that a guest you invited into your home intended harm because he carries a handgun for which he has a license? Since you are on this forum, may I safely assume that you have a CCW? If I notice that you are carrying in the local 7-11, can I follow your logic and cap you because I assume that you intend to harm someone in the 7-11?

Good grief!

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

I have many friends who just like me have CCWs. If I invite one of them over, they leave their guns in the car. If I go to their house, I leave my gun in the car. I have no business with a loaded gun in their house, as they have none with one in mine.

Based on my experience with my circle of friends, I find that truly amazing. I was invited to an old friend's home for the weekend down in Palm Beach County a couple of years ago to spend some time with him, the wife and kids. Came down without a gun, because I hate the hassle of flights with guns, and avoid them if I can. This was before I lived here, and before I had a Florida CCW (Though I had a CCW in my own State). He asked me if I brought my gun, and when I told him that I had not, he asked me which gun of his I'd like to keep with me while I was visiting. I picked the Kimber .45, and carried it loaded IWB the whole time I was there, as he did likewise (We are both 24/7 gun toters). This kind of thing is what I would expect of a friend, yet you see it as somehow discourteous. What kinds of friends do you have? Are you sure you really know what it means to be a friend?

 

[carebear]

Legality aside, I don't have a problem with people I know carrying in my home, and I don't invite many strangers in. I also don't have a problem not carrying in homes where people ask me not to. It's their house.

For example, I play poker at a buddy's house on weekends and he asks me not to bring my gun in his house. He knows I'm safe, he trusted me with his life in the Marines, his dad was a US Marshal, heck, I was the Best Man at his wedding, he just doesn't want guns in his house. So be it.

As I like his company and that of the other guys we play with, I accede to his wishes and don't carry in his house. I would not dream of even secretly giving him the metaphorical finger and ignoring his wishes, it is his damn house. My only two honorable, polite and respectful two choices are going along with him or not playing poker there.

I am trying to get him to change his mind and find a compromise but it's his house, my "rights" are simply to go along or not go at all, not be dishonest and sneak the gun in. I can't conceive of disrespecting (and potentially losing) a friendship like that.

I'd rather take the minimal risk of not having my gun on me for a few hours on a Saturday night than throw away a decade of friendship.

 

[Oleg Volk]

Hosting a party now. The 4-year old did not bring a gun. The two 8-year old guests did, and so did all the adults. That's how civilized people do it, IMO.

 

[kaferhaus]

So you differentiate between LEOs and legally-packing citizens? Even when the citizens are your friends?

Absolutely I do. The LEO may get a call to respond too.

Not an issue with my friends.

You guys have gotten way off track with the original question.

The guy was invited to a dinner party. The host of which he does not know very well.... not a "friends house".

I and the people I choose to associate with do not carry loaded guns into other folks houses.

It's just not a polite thing to do.

 

[Blue Jays]

Hi All-

And what do you suppose the courts will do to you when they find that "armed invader" was a non-violent and invited guest in your home? I can tell you it'll be the last dinner party you throw for quite some time.

Don't worry, kaferhaus will still be able to host dinner parties...it'll just be in a Bigger House than the one he has now. Someone else will be tossing the salad as well.

~ Blue Jays ~

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Legality aside, I don't have a problem with people I know carrying in my home, and I don't invite many strangers in. I also don't have a problem not carrying in homes where people ask me not to. It's their house.

For example, I play poker at a buddy's house on weekends and he asks me not to bring my gun in his house. He knows I'm safe, he trusted me with his life in the Marines, his dad was a US Marshal, heck, I was the Best Man at his wedding, he just doesn't want guns in his house. So be it.

As I like his company and that of the other guys we play with, I accede to his wishes and don't carry in his house. I would not dream of even secretly giving him the metaphorical finger and ignoring his wishes, it is his damn house. My only two honorable, polite and respectful two choices are going along with him or not playing poker there.

I am trying to get him to change his mind and find a compromise but it's his house, my "rights" are simply to go along or not go at all, not be dishonest and sneak the gun in. I can't conceive of disrespecting (and potentially losing) a friendship like that.

I'd rather take the minimal risk of not having my gun on me for a few hours on a Saturday night than throw away a decade of friendship.

Yours is a perfectly reasonable position, and is perfectly consistent with what I and others have been saying, because the man expressed his wishes and you, as a friend, then made a choice to comply or stay home.

 

[Winzeler]

Now that's sweet.... you enter someone's home armed without their knowledge and you think you're doing them a favor??

Your mama drop you on your head when you were little?

Are insults part of this so-called southern courtesy? I have NEVER insulted someone on this or any other forum. You are not taking The High Road and you definitely have no high ground on me with a statement like that.

For what it's worth, I don't have any problem whatsoever with you guys who choose not to do it the way I do. It's your life, your license, do what you want with them.