CCW holder in trouble at Pennsylvania College

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Does not make it illegal Frandy. In Pa, there are very few places illegal to carry. If someone in authority asks you to leave and you don't, its criminal tresspass, not a gun charge.

Maybe you have never been up noth, but it's been known to get right cold.

Ski mask and gloves a criminal does not make, and you shouldn't lose your civil rights because you don't know when to keep your mouth shut.
 
Mixed feelings.
It's not still winter in PA is it?
A Black/ski mask and gloves, both in his possession and another set in the car as well as another gun?
A gun in a computer bag? I guess I could see it.
A gun on campus is not allowed?
Telling someone of his firearms in his car?
Mentioning VA tech?

I don't know, it might have required scrutiny, but as said previously, it doesn't sound like we have the rest of the story.
 
OK, there was a mask of some type in his car...if you guys put an emergency kit in you vehicle, do you remove it come summertime? There may have been boots too...and flares.
And, maybe the guy just junks up his car...
Put yourself in his shoes.

The important thing is, if the article is correct, this man was sent for an evaluation for no good reason...and may lose his license to carry because of an ADA's poor judgment.

Hopefully we'll read more about this...
 
Maybe the guy is a nut, maybe not. Some of the things that are being mentioned here don't make him one, and it is scary that a person is whisked off to the loony bin with such efficiency. I don't wear ski masks, but I still have my winter gloves in the truck. That way they are there when I need them. Until very recently, like three weeks ago, my winter hat, which looks just like it came from Mother Russia, was in one of the vehicles as well. What if someone caught me with that and my WASR!?! :what: Oh no, a Commie! Quick, get him before he puts on that hat and starts spraying bullets all over the place!

On the surface it sounds to me like the guy made some stupid mistakes, but it sounds like the school and the cops did the same. I also think there is more to the story, but that being said does not seem to justify the ever benevolent authorities in their actions.
 
Bravo to the college security and city police! Too bad about the CCW permit though
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W T F ???

The man had committed no crime and had not threatened anybody. They pull his CCW and call him a mental case...just because they CAN...and you are OK with this?

Will you explain to the rest of us how you think this is a favorable scenario?
 
Is there any way for "any reasonable party" (namely, anyone) to use 302 to commit the DA and her cronies for obviously breaking Constitutional rights?

on the other side...Watch what you say. The state is listening.
 
Maybe you have never been up noth, but it's been known to get right cold.
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Uh, born in NYC, raised there and NJ, Penn State graduate, gradute school in the Boston area... I'm clear about yer weather.

My point was that we need more information. It still could be a total SNAFU caused by idiot authorities. I just don't know. It's still stupid to talk about the guns you have in your trunk while you're on a college campus. Illegal? of course not. But, still stupid.
 
Police talked with Chardo about charging the man. Chardo said what the man said would not qualify as a terroristic threat because there has to be an intent to terrorize another person.

"Because of the statement I was greatly concerned about this fellow," Chardo said. "I contacted the sheriff and had his license to carry a firearm revoked. And I asked police to commit him under Section 302 of the mental health procedures act and that was done. He is now ineligible to possess firearms because he was committed involuntarily."

Chardo said the law says a person cannot possess a firearm if they have been adjudicated incompetent or involuntarily committed for inpatient mental health care.
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He's likely screwed in that county of PA henceforth, but unless I missed something his RKBA is not totally forfeit. "Adjudicated" is the key word -- there has to be a hearing, before a judge, with the person afforded the opportunity to be represented by counsel. It does not sound to me like his "evaluation" rises to the level required to deny him of is RKBA.

If he can afford a decent lawyer, I wouldn't be surprised if he could force the sheriff to reinstate his permit, to. PA is (I thought) shall issue. He wasn't even charged, so what's the basis for revoking his permit? Felony carrying of gloves in summer?
 
I cut for pasting the same inane quotation from Ms. Chardo that everyone else evidently already had, so I won't do the pasting part. But this is nuts!

ADAs can snap their fingers and have a permit revoked? By (from the sound of it) diagnosing the holder / committing him involuntarily, without further thought or oversight?

As someone else has said, this statement really *seems* implausibly stupid that I hope it's a misprint.

timothy
 
"It would be worse than Virginia Tech if someone broke into my car. I have guns in the car,"
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That sounds to me like an out of context quote. Call it a hunch but I don't think he just blurted that out, was probably part of a conversation. So fit with the conversation but if that's all you heard...or reported...then it sounds worse then it is.
 
Ski Mask and gloves! This is Pennsylvania we are talking about. Everyone should have them in there car in case of break down in the winter. Along with a blankie and shovel
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Yikes I would hate to think what would happen if my car was searched. Ski mask, gloves, duct tape, 13" knife, rope, garbage bags, ammo, hatchet, that doesn't even count my range bag that may or may not be in my car.
 
The first article said that a gun was also found in his home. That means search warrant. If I'm a judge, I haven't seen enough PC to issue a warrant based on the info in the two articles, so I'm thinking there something more to this.:scrutiny:
 
You're all missing the point. He had "The Permit" that allows him to ignore or disregard any and all rules and regulations of those that have control of the property in question. Sounds like just another jerk that gives responsible CCW'ers a bad reputation.
 
Holy crap! That's scary stuff...

How do we know the context that this persons comments were made in?

And they "searched his car and house"? ***? Searched by what probable cause, not breaking any law? Or did he (foolishly) consent to these searches that would be illegal if he had not?

This story stinks, bad!
 
Well I'm glad to see nobody read any of the 500 links I posted the last time we discussed mental illness and disability from purchasing a firearm. This does not qualify for involuntary commitment under current case law on the subject because the person in the story was not given a hearing with counsel present or a diagnosis by a doctor.

It was just the police asking for involuntary commitment, which is enough to detain somebody for observation; but being detained for observation isn't enough to cost you your firearms rights. Please dig up the old threads on this if you are interested. I'd post the link but I don't see much point to digging it up myself when it is obvious nobody reads it.
 
I'm not going to comment on what happened to this guy just yet because I don't have all of the facts. Still, bragging about your gun collection, the kinds of guns you have with you in your car, and talking about how 'there'd be another Virginia Tech' is not appropriate behavior from someone who has undertaken the responsibility to bear arms.
 
You men sure are quick to condemn another gun owner who may well be perfectly innocent.
You don't know the anti-gun freaks governing (or, trying to govern) Pennsylvania right now.
If this guy could be sent for a psychiatric evaluation...and no charges, nothing more then some half assed ADA's word...any of us could! Maybe you should consider that...
 
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