CCW is WELCOME at my house / If my gun ain't welcome, neither am I

[Declaration Day]

You seem all bent out of shape by the notion that not being allowed to carry in someone else's home means that you are not welcome.

I know this isn't directed at me, but since I completely agree with Templar, I want to answer it anyway.

I feel that if someone won't let me carry in their home, that they don't trust me and my ability to safely possess a firearm. I am a safe, responsible person, at all times, and I do not want to be in the company of those who would insult me by questioning that.

Apparently, you want them to extend the courtesy of allowing you to carry in that person's home and yet you don't want to extend the courtesy if respecting that person's rights and wishes.

I extend the courtesy of respecting such a person's rights and wishes by not entering their home.

For the record, this has never been an issue for me. Yet.

 

[gunner03]

The few times I have been asked if I was carrying all I've ever said was ''What difference dose it make?'' If it was a persons home, I think I would have to respect the wishes of the owner. If I don't think I can trust you if I'm unarmed I'm not going to be there in the first place. All responsible gun owners may carry in my home or yard.

 

[tellner]

I no longer speak to my youngest sister and will not share words or a roof or break bread with her because of this. She claims that I was carrying in her house and am, therefore, no longer welcome there. Ever. In fact I wasn't, but she was just as upset about the pocket knife that I did have. It is very sad, because I love my niece and nephews, and it is a disappointment to my parents. But there really wasn't any other choice. If one doesn't get treated with a certain amount of human respect one can't stick around if one has any self respect.

 

[Srigs]

Ironically, I was at a black-tie event Saturday night. All dressed up, armed with a Kel-Tec P3AT. Some guy I don't know came up to me and asked me if I was "packin'." I was a little taken by surprise and said, "Of course not."

John

Most state including mine, you only have to tell the truth to a LEO if asked.

Carry is welcome in my house. You have passed the required training and have the for though to want to protect yourself and others so no issue with me.

Other homes if they tell me not to I don't but usually I do unless told.

 

[Meplat]

When I'm at the hunting shack or MY house, I carry all the time or the weapon is an appropriate place. When I visit other people's houses, depending on the person, I may or may not leave the weapon in my vehicle. I do this as a sign of respect for the person I'm visiting. Nothing more, nothing less. If I am at a social function at someone's house with a bunch of strangers, I normally don't carry because, living in MN, there are many anti-gun fiends here. I wouldn't want to alarm the sheep.

I have no problem at all with people who might not want me to carry in their homes, being as I have yet to make a mortgage payment on a house that wasn't my own. I know for a fact that if someone shows up at my door wearing an HCI button, their butts aren't going to bounce more than once or twice when the hit the ground, and respect others' rights to THEIR opinions and choiches in their own domiciles. If someone should invite me over, and did not know me well enough to know that I am armed at all times, I'd leave the Sig in the car, get the conversation around to CCW, find the owner's views (it IS their property) and base my decision on whether to leave and not come back or realize I'd found a kindred spirit. As much as I believe in the 2nd, I believe a man's home is his castle as well. I just don't have to visit any castles where I don't like the king.

 

[AStone]

Very glad to see this topic live on.

OK, now, folks: no "piling on" here.

No attacks. No ad hominem.

Criticize ideas, not people.

If we keep this discussion civil, the thread lives.
Otherwise, feel the sting of the mods,
who are just doing their jobs
to keep the High Road on high ground.

Dig?

Excellent!

Now, carry on.

Nem

 

[Matthew748]

I have never really had this problem. All of my friends and family members are OK with guns. If I knew someone who was not and if they asked me not to carry at their residence I either would not go there or I would obey their wishes. The Lord / Lady of the domain sets the rules.

It’s like this site. We are guaranteed freedom of speech (for now anyway), but the owner requests that we refrain from discussing certain topics. That is fine by me and if i was not, I would go elsewhere.

 

[Janitor]

A gun is an inanimate object. It won't do anything by itself.
If "the gun isn't welcome", that's a thinly veiled accusation of its owner being a criminally violent psychopath. I'll socialize accordingly.

I don't konw if this is exactly how I would have worded it, but I feel the same way.

Lay a gun, a knife, a baseball bat on the table and watch them all for a few days. While all of them are capable of being used as a tool to take a life or harm someone, they don't do it w/o somebody yanking on the trigger or picking up and slashing/beating. A hammer will NEVER drive in a nail of it's own volition.

What the 'friends' who ask me not to carry at their home are saying, is that they really don't trust me to not go nuts and start "capping" people with the tool I choose to carry with me.

Couple months ago a casual friend (while at another friends home) found I carried most the time. She told me that a visit to their place would be a good time to practice locking the gun in my car before comeing in. And park across the street if I would. I asked her if it was me or herself that she didn't trust around guns and her reply was that she simply didn't like them. I asked her if I was wearing a shirt she didn't like would I have to leave it in the car?

Just got a sour look and a view of her back from that one.

Haven't bothered seeing them since.

--

If a stranger asked me if I were "packing" I'd ask what color underwear they had on.

 

[Missashot]

Lucky for me the only person who has ever asked me if I had a gun on me is my husband (Kramer Krazy) I think the only reason he likes to ask is so that he can add up all the rounds of ammo that we have on us combined!
I guess if I happened to visit someone who asked that question, I would answer honestly and if asked to leave or put my concealed gun away, then I would have to decide if it was worth not going back because of the diffrence of opinions.
As far as to our house, if we know you well enough to invite you in, then come on in and bring ALL your guns so we can play too!

 

[Ala Dan]

Like my friend Rustler said-

"If I have invited you into my house, that means I trust YOU"~!

Well said, and that is the way I also feel. I'm a very private person,
and don't invite many folks into my home. If I do invite you, you are
considered a friend; and that means if you are pack'in heat, then so
be it. Most of my friends are either active (or retired) LEO's or U.S.
military veterans; so I know they are most likely armed. And, as the
original poster stated, "if my weapon isn't welcomed in your home,
then neither am I"~!

 

[Herself]

"Love me, love my dog."

...If my sidearm isn't welcome in a house, then I'm not going to feel myself welcome there, either.

As for disarming oneself as an indicator of "respect," I cannot see how rendering yourself vulnerable is at all "respectful." Seems more like disrespect, in my opinion: "We'll all just die here together if attacked, like good little sheep."
Nope, sorry. Not an option! Just 'cos I'd play cards with you doesn't mean I'm willing to die with you as an unarmed victim. Used up all my chances with that approach already.

My family knows I carry and none of them have asked me not to in their homes. There are times when I will either secure my handgun in the car or unload it and put the mag in my pocket: if I'm carrying in my purse and there are going to be a lot of little nieces, nephews and grand-neices and grand-nephews roaming about, 'cos there is pretty much no safe place to stow said purse out of their reach. Nice kids, fine, well-mannered kids, but not my kids: I have no way of being sure well they have been trained regariding guns.

--Herself

 

[TexasRifleman]

I no longer speak to my youngest sister and will not share words or a roof or break bread with her because of this. She claims that I was carrying in her house and am, therefore, no longer welcome there. Ever. In fact I wasn't, but she was just as upset about the pocket knife that I did have. It is very sad, because I love my niece and nephews, and it is a disappointment to my parents. But there really wasn't any other choice. If one doesn't get treated with a certain amount of human respect one can't stick around if one has any self respect.

My sister and brother in law were like that to me......... until someone broke into their house. Then things changed and they realized you really can't protect your family with a tennis racket. Hopefully your family won't have to learn the lesson that way.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Most all of my friends know I'm packing at their house because as soon as the whiskey and the cards come out, they have to put my gun in their safe.

I certainly appreciate it when guests tell me they are bringing kids

I appreciate that too--so I can tell them not to come. Your gun is welcom, your children are NOT.

I don't like children.

 

[Templar223]

I think you confused some key issues. If you carry a gun into another person's home that does not want you to carry in his home, then your gun most definitely is not lawfully possessed in that person's home.

That's not the law in Illinois where I live. If it is, please cite.

So which is it? Is it that if your gun ain't welcome than neither are you as stated in the title or is it that if your gun ain't welcome then you don't need to be there? These are two very different issues.

Not to me. As "Herself" wrote, " ...If my sidearm isn't welcome in a house, then I'm not going to feel myself welcome there, either." Amen!

You seem all bent out of shape by the notion that not being allowed to carry in someone else's home means that you are not welcome. Apparently, you want them to extend the courtesy of allowing you to carry in that person's home and yet you don't want to extend the courtesy if respecting that person's rights and wishes.

I'm not at all bent out of shape. If they choose not to allow guns in their home, that's their choice! I simply CHOOSE not to enter their home. It's nothing personal and it's nothing to be upset about.

Interesting. I know some good folks that I gladly welcome into my home as trusted friends, but I have shot with a couple of them that I feel are not fully up to speed on safety.

Plinkin' and packin' are two seperate issues. I suppose if I saw unsafe gun handling in my living room, I'd ask the person to holster it and give them a quick review on the rules of gun safety. It's pretty unusual to see packin' people showing off their packin' hardware and I suspect it's because we (mostly) all realize that handling loaded guns unnecessarily is something to be done with great caution.

I teach personal protection classes regularly to nearly 200 people each year and handle the pistol line at the longest running NRA Youth Shooting Camp in the nation (100+ kids!) and I have not found any people - who after being instructed in safe gun handling - can't follow the program. Some need a little more instruction than others, but they all get it eventually.

John

 

[Thefabulousfink]

When I am a guest in someones home there are a couple topics of conversation that I will not bring up unless I know them very well:
1. Religion
2. Polotics
3. Guns
People seem to have very strong oppinions on theses subjects, and it is my duty as a guest to not bring discord into a host's home.

That being said, I will be carrying and no one will know because it is CONCEALED. If the topics above are being discussed, I will politely state my side, but I will try my hardest to avoid a fight. Concealed means concealed, and unless directly asked, I will not mention that I am carrying.

 

[Thefabulousfink]

Also my room-mate did this in our friend's parents' house, I could have smacked him.

Never, and I mean never, pull out your firearm and start showing it off without the express permission of the host. Not only could this lead to poor firearms handling if not everyone present is fully aware of the 4 rules, but it is also extreamly disrespectful to your host.

 

[SSN Vet]

the art of dipomacy?

The same person who said "let your yes be yes, and your no, no" over 2,000 years ago also made extensive use of the practice of answering inappropriate questions with a question.

Why do you ask?

Does it look like I'm packing?

Why do you feel that the answer to that question is any of your business?

Isn't that a personal question?

What's your opinion of the United States Constitution?

or...if all else fails...use the Fred Flinstone shool of business management and respond with the following three phrases in random order....

(1.) What's your angle? (2.) I'll buy that (3.) Who's baby is that anyway?

 

[NineseveN]

If you come to my home, I require[/]b you pack at least one firearm.

Unless the beer and booze is out, then we lock them up when you enter.


On the flip side:
If you don't want me carrying, you don't want me coming.

 

[LiquidTension]

In SC you're required to tell a person that you're carrying before you enter their residence. Obviously this could get very tiresome amongst people that you visit often, so it is understood by my friends that I am carrying.

Friend: "Are you carrying?"
Me: "Let me see..." <checks pulse> "...yep, still beating." None of my friends care, and in fact they've all been shooting with me at one time. Except one of my female friends that isn't real keen on weapons. One of my other friends brought the topic up at her place one time and she got a bit irate...

"Did you bring a gun into MY house?"
"No, of course not." <lifted shirt for her to see> "I uh, know better than that."

This was right after I'd bought my P3AT and discovered it fit perfectly in the painter's pocket of my jeans I love that little gun...it just disappears....

She doesn't like guns, but instead of cursing her for not wanting me to carry in her home, I'm slowly trying to convert her. No sense not hanging out just because of a difference of opinion that can be remedied.

 

[Ares45]

At my house...

Bring em' if you got em'. Otherwise I'll loan you a house gun. It will be smaller than mine of course. I'm a size queen don't ya know.

Several very close friends and hunting buddies know I carry 24/7. They'll often ask if I'm packin heat. I just give them the look and keep my mouth shut. On occasion, when circumstances permit, I have safed the weapon and allowed the curious to investigate. Some of them don't know anything about pistols so I take to opportunity to learn them something and ask if they'd like to go to the range sometime. Two are on their way to becoming responsible gun people and CCWer's.

 

[neoncowboy]

I carry concealed and just leave the gun concealed in it's holster all the time.

Seems like it would be impolite to bother people with talking about it all the time and just an overall better policy of keeping concealed weapons concealed.

No reason to scare the sheep.

There's a few people close to me who know I carry all the time...nobody else has ever asked me. If they did and took offense I guess I'd just have to handle that with whatever discretion the situation warrants. I can't imagine anyone I know making a hissyfit issue over it...but if they did I guess I'd move on and keep on truckin'.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Very glad to see this topic live on.

OK, now, folks: no "piling on" here.

No attacks. No ad hominem.

Criticize ideas, not people.

If we keep this discussion civil, the thread lives.
Otherwise, feel the sting of the mods,
who are just doing their jobs
to keep the High Road on high ground.

Dig?

Excellent!

Now, carry on.

Nem

Agreed, BUT!!!

Take a look at the MODS that voiced their opinions long before the closing of that last thread. They let it go for a while. We got cool mods, it was just getting a little old.

 

[AStone]

We got cool mods, it was just getting a little old.

I'm in total agreement with you there, friend.

The mods help make this forum a sane educational & fun place.

Nem

 

[Phaetos]

At their house I'd probably reply truthfully if asked. At that point if they wanted me to leave I would. Anywhere else it's none of their business.

While carrying in someone's home isn't rude, lying to them is.

While here in Louisiana, if you don't HAVE PERMISSION from the home owner to carry in their residence, you can lose your CHP. State law, not kidding. My friends and family(well excluding one) know I have a carry piece that is on me at all times. I never bothered asking permission. I figured if they didn't want it in their home knowing I carry, they would have told me already. Permission implied.

Though I'm sure it's been covered somewhere, but there is a certain person in my family(step-son-in-law) that I have never told I even own a gun let alone carry it all times. I don't trust him, never will. If there is someone in your family, you understand. How do you deal with this? Tell them anyway? Don't bother? What?

 

[TallPine]

If there is someone in your family, you understand. How do you deal with this?

Moved two states away, and only a few selected family members have our physical address. The rest only have our PO Box address.