CCW question -- AR law

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I am a salesman in south Arkansas, and a ccw holder. I was talking to a client who told me her son, who also has a ccw and was carrying a gun in his car, was stopped when a cop noticed that his son had slipped outta his car seat strap. When the cop found out that he had a gun in the car with a under 5 y.o. in the car, he was ticketed and fined $5,000! I have been through 2 ccw classes and never heard of this. Have any of y'all heard of this, particularly any others who live in Arkansas? Thanks.
 
ttolhurst said it, but I'm not from Arkansas.

Might have better luck in the Legal section.
 
Utter, complete, unadulterated hogwash. In fact, one of the crazier servings of bologna I've ever heard.

If they're going to give out $5,000 fines, they're going to want to have a LAW they can cite that you'd broken. And that one would be...?

...

Now, there's one way this could have some tiny element of truth to it. If the officer did discover that the driver was armed, and was one of those odd ducks with a personal problem with folks being armed, he could have decided to throw the book at the driver for any violation that might remotely stick. Taillight out? Weaving/swerving/reckless driving? Maybe some heavy fine for having the child unsecured. Don't know if that could possibly add up to $5,000, but it could be quite a bit. Now most folks would go to court and fight such a pile of BS charges, and the judge would be pretty likely to throw some of them out. And, if it looked like the cop really did have it in for this guy, the judge might even throw out the whole case with a stern warning to the officer not to abuse his authority.

But that's all speculation.
 
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Or a son who needed $5000 for something (drugs?) and lied to mama to get the money from her.
 
drsfmd said:
Or a son who needed $5000 for something (drugs?) and lied to mama to get the money from her.
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Holy assumption batman. You have just implied that the legal CCW holder would ask mother for $5k, and is a drug addict. I better but my spectacles on bc I cant pull that from between the lines.

Maybe he needs 5k for his baby seal clubbing trip?
 
Without knowing the actual details, it's all conjecture. Vague, third or fourth hand reports are worse than useless.
 
drsfmd said:
Or a son who needed $5000 for something (drugs?) and lied to mama to get the money from her.
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Holy assumption batman. You have just implied that the legal CCW holder would ask mother for $5k, and is a drug addict. I better but my spectacles on bc I cant pull that from between the lines.
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While I agree it is quite an assumption, I understand the suggestion. The story is so far-fetched, to those familiar with how carry laws work and DON'T work -- but at the same time, has that smack of "truthiness" to it which makes it easy for non-"gunny" folks to swallow.

Kind of like how your grandmother might tell you she took her car into the mechanic's shop to get the oil changed and he's told her that her flux capacitor has spun a gasket and it's going to cost an extra $1,000 to fix. Folks who don't know mechanical matters will nod and say, "wow, that sounds bad!" Folks who've turned a wrench or two will start making some pretty hot accusations against the mechanic because they know there is no such part and he's trying to cheat her.
 
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Utter, complete, unadulterated hogwash. In fact, one of the crazier servings of bologna I've ever heard.

If they're going to give out $5,000 fines, they're going to want to have a LAW they can cite that you'd broken. And that one would be...?

...

Now, there's one way this could have some tiny element of truth to it. If the officer did discover that the driver was armed, and was one of those odd ducks with a personal problem with folks being armed, he could have decided to throw the book at the driver for any violation that might remotely stick. Taillight out? Weaving/swerving/reckless driving? Maybe some heavy fine for having the child unsecured. Don't know if that could possibly add up to $5,000, but it could be quite a bit. Now most folks would go to court and fight such a pile of BS charges, and the judge would be pretty likely to throw some of them out. And, if it looked like the cop really did have it in for this guy, the judge might even throw out the whole case with a stern warning to the officer not to abuse his authority.

But that's all speculation.
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And it's good speculation. But I can't imagine that it's true. I am a LEO here, and while it suppose it's technically possible to write $5K worth of citations, I'd have to use an entire ticket book.

Moreover, if I write you that much, you'll be receiving that citation in booking at jail.

fatcat4620 said:
Sounds like some kind of child endangerment fine.
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Maybe felony child endangerment, MAYBE. No guarantees. Not to mention, that's a tough case to make to begin with. AND, you're still going to go to jail.

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Or a son who needed $5000 for something (drugs?) and lied to mama to get the money from her.
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I'm just naturally suspicious, and this makes sense to me.
 
i agree....without supporting evidence like a ticket or at least what law the person was actually charged under, this sounds very unrealistic and hard to believe.
 
Maybe felony child endangerment, MAYBE. No guarantees. Not to mention, that's a tough case to make to begin with. AND, you're still going to go to jail.
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No kidding! And, according to the bare facts presented by the OP's source, the basis of the felony child endangerment claim would be that the driver was in possession of a firearm near a child. That charge will stick like teflon jello thrown at the ceiling.

If the story was that he had the gun pointed at the kid's head while driving drunk down the interstate, yeah. But carrying it peacably concealed while driving? No chance.
 
mcmurry said:
I am a salesman in south Arkansas, and a ccw holder. I was talking to a client who told me her son, who also has a ccw and was carrying a gun in his car, was stopped when a cop noticed that his son had slipped outta his car seat strap. When the cop found out that he had a gun in the car with a under 5 y.o. in the car, he was ticketed and fined $5,000! I have been through 2 ccw classes and never heard of this. Have any of y'all heard of this, particularly any others who live in Arkansas? Thanks.
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Call the U.S Marshal nearest your location. They will be very helpful.
 
Either you have a very misguided police officer or something is not true about this story. I don't know of anything against the law for this scenario.
 
After looking through the statutes for AR I can't find anything close to this either.

This one just doesn't pass the smell test and it's being retold third (at best) hand so things seem to be pretty confused at this point.

Goes into the "things I heard at a gun store" category.
 
ttolhurst said:
US Marshal?? What in the world would they have to offer in relation to this?
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A friend took some cattle to sale. On the return home his engine blew and he called the Sheriff to get some help to clean the oil off the road. The Sheriff came and arrested him for 5 beer cans in the back of the truck. He was not drinking but he did have a bottle of nerve pills and a pistol in his truck.

The 1100$ dollars he had from the sale was confiscated with his pistol and his prescription nerve pills.

The Sheriff would not return the gun or the money.

He called the U.S. Marshal and they happily showed up the next day and camped out at the Sheriffs office for a month.

His gun, His money and his pills were returned shortly!

But he had to move out of the county.

That's why Mr. T!
 
I'm sorry, but that has nothing to do with what US Marshalls are mandated by law to do. They do not "police the police" in any capacity. That's the responsibility of the FBI. The US Marshall's are primarily tasked with prisoner transport, asset forfiture, and fugitive apprehension, not settling beefs between the local cops and the population they deal with. Without anything to support it, that whole incident seems rather fishy, and not something the Marshall's would devote a month's worth of resources to
 
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