CCW stops Michigan bank robbery
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divemedic
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The poorly skilled who try frequently become Darwin award eligible.
Cougfan2
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This can't be true as the BG would have obviously taken the weapon from the armed citizen and used it on him. 
camslam
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Not to pick a fight, but I have read enough times on this forum from those that either carry a concealed weapon or those that don't that the ONLY time they would ever present their weapon was in case it was the ABSOLUTE last resort because the bad guy was pointing the gun right at him or possibly his family.
This is the kind of person that I am proud to say is a concealed weapons permit holder. From the story it doesn't appear that he was Rambo, SWAT, Tactical Forces, Law Enforcement, or any other kind of wanna be. He was a citizen that was armed and did the right thing.
Could it have ended different ways than it did? Sure. But if we had more people like this that gave a damn about society, I think we would have a better world to live in.
Great job for this guy whoever he is. He gives the rest of us that carry a good name.
This is the kind of person that I am proud to say is a concealed weapons permit holder. From the story it doesn't appear that he was Rambo, SWAT, Tactical Forces, Law Enforcement, or any other kind of wanna be. He was a citizen that was armed and did the right thing.
Could it have ended different ways than it did? Sure. But if we had more people like this that gave a damn about society, I think we would have a better world to live in.
Great job for this guy whoever he is. He gives the rest of us that carry a good name.
siglite
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Another media outlet reported that the CCW holder was in the Lebanese army for 7 years.
True Camslam but no one has to point a bomb at me necessarily to make it effective. Perhaps considering the kill radius of said bomb could influence a decision to act on offense?
...no disrespect intended. I'm with you.
...no disrespect intended. I'm with you.
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MinnMooney
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Why not? That's what our carry permit training is all about - to show restraint and use only that force necessary to control the situation.
Ya, I've read a few members say that it would have to be "last resort" and that they would NEVER pull their weapon to defend someone other than themselves or possibly a loved one. We'll have to take them at their word. I should hope that most people who go to the trouble, time, expense and commitment to get their carry permit would use it to help anyone who needed his/her help. This bank customer was one of the latter... and most of the bank employees and other customers are probably glad he is.
Can't CCW in a bank in the glorious state of Nebraska. It's okay because banks don't get robbed here! http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/Central/09/27/bank.slayings/
Glad to here the good news in the OP.
Glad to here the good news in the OP.
SJG26
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"Police said the longtime customer then turned toward the suspect, pulled out a concealed handgun, pointed it at the suspect and stated “you are not robbing this bank.”
The customer then escorted the suspect at gunpoint over to a chair where he was cornered until police arrived."
I would not show so much restraint---I see/hear the threat and most likely would have put him down...........Catchy phrases are for cops and Dirty Harry.
The customer then escorted the suspect at gunpoint over to a chair where he was cornered until police arrived."
I would not show so much restraint---I see/hear the threat and most likely would have put him down...........Catchy phrases are for cops and Dirty Harry.
VARifleman
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For those that say that he should have just shot the guy, how did what he did fail? You cannot argue with what works. For all we know, and what is likely as well, the robber was one quick move from a headshot.
Seancass
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i think he did very well. he believed his life was in danger, from a bomb no less, and he responded accordingly. I dont think he earned a gun shot to the head, but having the weapon drawn was certainly justifiable.
VARifleman
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My comment about a headshot was simply saying that if he made a fast move, it would be reasonable to see that as a move for a trigger of the bomb or a weapon.
I have to disagree, I would not have drawn. He showed no weapon. What if he tried to run? Shoot him in the back? Hit an innocent bystander? The only time I would draw is to shoot, not to hold someone at gunpoint. Where was the immediate threat? The teller telling the long term customer he had a bomb was second hand information. This could have ended very badly. Now on the other hand, if he had a weapon....take up position for a clear shot and shoot to kill.
Standing Wolf
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Never show up for a gun fight with an imaginary bomb.
VARifleman
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Radio, people don't rob banks with the threat of doing nothing, they use the threat of deadly force as that guy did. The fact that he didn't actually have a bomb, doesn't mean anything. The fact that he said that he had a bomb and he demanded money implies that if he's not cooperated with that he will detonate that bomb; that is what means everything. Deadly force threat responded to with deadly force resulting in a deescalated situation with no one injured.
Double Naught Spy
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He didn't fail, but he was pretty lucky. There are examples where missed shots and warning shots stopped robberies, rapes, etc., but nobody suggests that missing or warning shots are a good strategy.
chris in va
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I also read another account that said he also had to chamber a round, in addition to being from Lebanon.
Bottom line, he did very well.
Bottom line, he did very well.
VARifleman
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Whether he actually had to, I give 50-50 as the media is not very good with guns and may have assumed that that is what you're supposed to do.
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I personally would not have drawn, as I live in a very lawsuit happy part of the world. In SoCal the would-be robber would probably sue me for emotional distress and interference with his trade -- and could actually win.
But kudos to the CCW holder in the story. A valid demonstration of the way things are supposed to work.
But kudos to the CCW holder in the story. A valid demonstration of the way things are supposed to work.
camslam
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Radio: Herein lies the issue of my earlier post. I don't mean to pick a fight, but what you are doing is really quite similiar to the arguments I fight with anti's all the time about. That is you engage in hypotheticals. You ask:
-What if he tried to run?
-Shoot him in the back?
-Hit an innocent bystander?
While we all need to run the "what-if's" game on a regular basis if we are going to carry a concealed firearm, these item you mentioned didn't happen and they USUALLY don't happen. Most people that choose to get a CCW permit and THEN carry on a regular basis either train mentally, physically, or both for just such encounters. What I see happened, without knowing more details, is you had a responsible citizen with a CCW permit, determine the situation and the appropriate response and you had a successful resolution.
Isn't that really the best course of action in any event? Determine the situation and then act accordingly. Therein lies the dilema and question that we can all argue about till the cows come home, "what is acting accordingly?"
In this case I would say job well done. I have mentioned many times before in these types of discussions, if you aren't willing to pull your weapon to defend another person's life, then I sure hope you are ok with another CCW permit holder that is armed and able to do something to help one of your loved ones or friends should they find themselves in a similiar situation, and that CCW permit holder decides it isn't any of their business to help your loved one.
Stevie-Ray
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Of course I'm guessing, but I imagine that he had the gun pointing at the BG's head and already noticed his hands were empty. (i.e. not holding a trigger mechanism) An aggressive move would have earned the BG instant death. But in this case nobody had to die. A great ending.
camslam
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I hate to point out one more obvious observation regarding bank robbers, but:
Is the line, "give me the money, I have a bomb", not the absolute stupidest way to rob a bank.
Just for fun I would probably tell him go ahead and blow the place up jack***. You'll be going with the rest of us.
Doesn't that really kind of spit in the face of common sense to rob a bank for a few thousand dollars but blow yourself up in the process?
When was the last time you actually heard of a bank robber with an actual bomb that detonated it?
Once again I think this was a great move by the CCW permit holder.
Is the line, "give me the money, I have a bomb", not the absolute stupidest way to rob a bank.
Just for fun I would probably tell him go ahead and blow the place up jack***. You'll be going with the rest of us.
Doesn't that really kind of spit in the face of common sense to rob a bank for a few thousand dollars but blow yourself up in the process?
When was the last time you actually heard of a bank robber with an actual bomb that detonated it?
Once again I think this was a great move by the CCW permit holder.
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