Chicago Police to use M4 carbines (Chicago Tribune)

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I've met quite a few CPD, and I wouldn't trust them with a spud gun, let alone an M4. Just how many gunfights do the police actually get into anyway? Seriously, why do they feel the need for automatic weapons in a highly populated area? A semi auto M4gery would make much more sense, and a shotgun would make the most sense.

Just another example from Daly, you peasants can't own anything but our police and bodygaurds can have anyting they want.
 
There is an M-4 full auto torture test posted on google, 11 minutes long, fired 1100 rounds. After about every 3 magazines (90) rounds, he had to dunk the thing in the edge of a pond, to cool it down. The barrel was smoking hot. I seriously doubt the barrel would survive 1100 rounds of continous fire.

In another google video, an AK-47 practically catches the barrel and forend on fire after 300 rounds of full auto fire.
 
Get it over with. Give the cops Abrams, Strykers, Bradleys, SMAW's, AT-4's, M240's and up-armored HMMWV's, and just get it over with. Let's skip this half-hearted nonsense.

-Sans Authoritas
 
And so the law abiding citizens of Chicago are in the grips, caught in between the crossfire of Criminal Enterprise vs. The Police State.

With nobody really looking out for them.
 
And so the law abiding citizens of Chicago are in the grips, caught in between the crossfire of Criminal Enterprise vs. The Police State.
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Sounds like the makings for a good novel. With a bad ending.

-Sans Authoritas
 
Weis' decision to arm and train his 13,500 officers with more powerful weapons was disclosed Friday.
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see below:

If you guys read secondcitycop's blog, you might well be a little frightened of this move considering the minimal level of ongoing training the average CPD officer now gets on his sidearm.
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True.
 
Have there been indicents recently where the Chicago PD was undergunned like in the N. Hollywood shootout, or did the superindendent just have a bad dream about one?
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Nothing like N. Hollywood...but we have had a spate of violence in the city and that has the politicos and media vampires in a tizzy.

We do however, have a new Police Superintendent. Jody Weis is a hard-charging 20+ year Fibby. He's earning about a 1/3rd of a million bucks a year to run things in Chicago. He's ostensibly in the city to clean up the streets and the department. I suppose getting tough on crime entails latching on to the national trends in equipment.

Not to get all Radley Balko or anything...but I can't say that I like it. :rolleyes:

...course I'm also not rolling around the city in a patrol car either.
 
Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis has plans to equip the department's officers with M4 carbines to match the firepower of the street gangs they have to face to stop the wave of shootings in the city.
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That squib sure makes it sound like the Chicago police are going to grab carbines and battle gang members street by street, like Blackhawk Down with mayor Daley playing the Blackhawk. Probably they'll shoot through walls, throw grenades, and call in air support, right? How can anyone really spew B.S. like that and be taken seriously?
 
Sounds like the makings for a good novel. With a bad ending.
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I think Orwell already published that one in 1949.

As for the M4s rate of fire--1000 rounds per minute simply isn't feasible. Unlike the M4, the M249 was designed for sustained automatic fire. IIRC, we were taught that if we fired 200 rounds in a minute we were to change barrels. The weapon was capable of more, but 1000 rounds in a minute is a challenge, even for it. I saw it done, at the cost of a barrel. If you could find a 1000 round drum for the M4, you'd ruin the weapon attempting the feat.
 
A voice from the past whispered:
If Chicago would stop hosting so many of those blasted, downtown gun shows, with their rampant loopholes, America would not now face crime. We know that 99% of crime comes from Chicago. Better yet, maybe Chicago could pass a law rendering assault rifles illegal, and while they are at it, ban handguns outright!!! Seems like every Tom, Dick and Harry has a gun in Chicago. :neener:

Years later, a collective voice of the people retorts:
What guns?! You disarmed us morons! How can you justify assault rifles against a disarmed populace? What's that you say? You didn't disarm the criminals?!

:banghead:
 
m4's in 5.56mm cheap bet they don't get sights or any of the add ons
no journalist understands rate of fire
i.e cyclic rate time how fast it takes to empty the magazine on fully automatic
i.e a 2 seconds30 x30 m4 can fire 1200 rounds a minute :banghead:
most journalists get from those facts the carbine can hold 1200 rounds :(
 
I don't think you guys get it. Chicago is a shining example of hope. The reason why they have gun problems is because of Indiana. :banghead:
 
Here is my thing they already do this in LA and New York city and nobody gripes and complains about that so whats the issue here?
 
Also per Second City Cop and their commenters, "13,500 sworn officers" is a bold lie. They claim the numbers are more like 9,500 sworn and dropping as the city refuses to hire more. A couple of months ago they even had an item on an entire academy class being sent home--as in told to go find another job.
 
Maybe Mayor Dailey should not be a fan of his city being inhabited by unarmed victims?
 
Lemme get this straight, Dailey said they needed M-4 to combat the "semi automatic and fully automatic weapons the police find on the street" yet Illinois does not allow any NFA III weapons, only registered handguns and IIRC there is a limit on rifle mag capacity in Chicago. So isn't the real problem that the police aren't doing their job in the first part!

Edit-Illinois sucks for gun laws
 
The Chicago Police Department is an ongoing, overweight criminal enterprise.
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My personal and direct experience with assorted officers of the CPD supports this statement. That being said...you can't impugn a whole department based on my limited interactions with some officers who are a part of it.

It will be interesting to follow Weis in the news to see if his "outsider's" perspective can do anything to clean the department up.

Finally...how does the whole "we are outgunned" argument still hold water? The most recent stats I looked at did not include a high percentage of officer fatalities caused by "assault weapon" calibers.
 
Wouldn't it be a shame if Bushmaster, et al refused to sell or service any M4s for Chicago, until such point as the city/state allowed this type firearm and handguns for ALL civilians? By the way, recall that LEOs are civilians...same as you and I.

Edit to add: I contacted one of our CPD informants (psych) who smuggled out this video of Chicago's gangland war. The video is "proof" that there are gangs waging war with the CPD. Warning...this video "violent". It is food for thought about the fallout of civilian disarmament, and proof that a disarmed Amerika will resort to any type weapons: :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnjTlwxA9KY&feature=related

I guess the CPD really does need M4s.
 
Again this will be a case of not following up the results. a year or two from now no national reporters will say how many are missing lost or stolen, how many ND's happen on duty or training or even if innocent citizens have been shot in gunfights. What will be reported is how Chicago continues in its social decline and how more restrictions need to be put on citizens.

I don't want LE to be out gunned as they say but I'll bet Chicago will set out such a difficult protocal for even getting one of the M4s out of the car that they will be quite useless to the average patrol officer.

Here in my part of podunksville Colorado the Sheriff wants a 1/4 million $ armored car that will take .50BMG hits ???????? who knows why I guess just in case.
 
One thing that concerns me (besides the fact that this is exactly what the 2a sought to avoid, a one sided concentration of weapons), is everytime the LE uses these guns, or possibly everytime they are even on scene, you can bet it'll go into the brady bunch's stats about "assault rifle involved shootings", even though the good guys were using them. Joe Public won't know any better.
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And of course, it would be an "assault rifle involved shooting" if the "assault rifle" were still locked in its rack in the car and the officer shot someone with a Taser. It's because the evil "assault rifle" has this aura that influences everything around it, doncha know.
 
Warning...this video "violent".
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No kidding. :p

Next, they'll probably replace patrol cars with armored vehicles - and complain that it's all the NRA's fault.

I don't normally object to a PD getting M4s... but Chicago does so many objectionable things that I feel it my duty to do so.
 
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