Chicago Police to use M4 carbines (Chicago Tribune)

[lysander]

There could be good RKBA spin for Armalite and the state if done right.

Absolutely!! The spin could go for any of the EBR manufacturers in Illinois. It is a fairly clear example of the "for me and not for thee" attitude that so often coincides with the grabby politicos.

The recent violence in Chicago should serve as an INDICTMENT of a failed citizen disarmament policy. But....oooooohhhh no...the blame shifting gets tossed on the "unscrupulous gun dealers" downstate and in Indiana. Chicago's policies aren't failing, it is the other jerk's fault for not be willing to adopt Chicago's policies.

You want 1300 rifles...but you also want to run the companies that make those rifles out of business.

...strange logic.

 

[Deanimator]

He'll go Colt or, failing that, say go buy your own.

I'd refuse to sell to any Chicago cop. What's sauce for goose is sauce for the gander. Given the proclivity of the Chicago PD for attempting to entrap gun dealers, nobody should sell ANYTHING to ANYBODY with a Chicago address.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Some gun dealers (I have been told) won't sell to Chicago residents. That's their perogative I guess, but as long as they have FOID the onus for complying with 'Dick Daley's' laws is on his subjects--who can lawfully own and whatever the heck they want and store it OUTSIDE the city.

I don't have any special grudge against Chicago cops as individuals--I just stay off their turf. The LEO's in my part of the world are very pro-RKBA and very community-minded; they live here and any bad eggs get weeded out pretty quickly. They also start out at like 13 or 14 bucks an hour.

 

[Autolycus]

By your logic Deanimator they should refuse to sell to any civilian becasue some are antis. The people in Chicago have the right to own firearms, just not in the city.

 

[The Tourist]

It's not the war on drugs, it's the war on altered states of consciousness...

Even if you're right, and I have some honest doubts, the answer is not having an untrained cop put a hole in someone's head (if he's lucky enough to hit anything) with an assault rifle.

How did crime during the Roaring Twenties actually end? Oh, we shot up Bonnie and Clyde, and their making a movie here in Wisconsin with Johnny Depp on Dillinger. But in the end it was investigation and repeal of the Volstead Act. It's common knowledge that Capone wasn't shot at all.

Do you thing bangers are going to be impressed if you spray every stinking one of them automatic fire? One dies, another takes his place.

I believe crime is curtailed as it always has been.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

It's not the war on drugs, it's the war on altered states of consciousness...


Here in IL they just added Salvia Divinorum--a formally un-regulated entheogenic/psychotropic plant to the list of substances that get you 10 years in prison (like LSD, etc).

I don't know that there really was any evidence to suggest a true NEED to prohibit the plant, but just to be safe, it's on the list.

No, guns and mind altering drugs legal or otherwise don't mix--and having kids tends to moderate one's views about de-criminalizing harmful drugs, but if CPD needs patrol carbines they should get them. Maybe with 5.45 x 39 Svt. uppers to take advantage of that cheap 11 cent ammo on the market right now.

 

[Deanimator]

By your logic Deanimator they should refuse to sell to any civilian becasue some are antis. The people in Chicago have the right to own firearms, just not in the city.

That's a very strange "right".

They should refuse to sell to Chicago cops because if Chicago doesn't want "assault weapons", it shouldn't have ANY assault weapons, AT ALL. I say give them what they really want.

 

[El Tejon]

Salvia Divinorum

I wondered for the past 15 years when the states and feds would get around to this stuff.

 

[Fisherman_48768]

The on line version:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-chicago-police-assault-rifles,0,2104512.story"Many times they're outgunned, to be very frank," Daley said at an event in the Englewood neighborhood. "When they come to a scene, someone has a semi fully-automatic weapon and you have a little pistol, uh, good luck."
No further comment about
Daley is necessary.

 

[cherryriver]

Richard the First's most famous quote was "The police aren't here to create disorder... They're here to preserve disorder."
Richard the Second's best is "The money (for that public works project) shouldn't come from the taxpayers. It should come from the federal government."
While it's tough to top that, he's still trying with the semi fully-automatic thing. You have to appreciate effort like that.
Now, let's consider his "scrootening" line from a few years ago...

 

[mata777]

I wish other gun makers would have Mr. Barret"s policy on selling guns to agencies (if you don't allow citizens to own them then guess what, you can't buy them from me either).

 

[shooter94]

Gangs having better firepower than the police? Better get some gun control there. Oh...wait a minute! They do have gun control there. Does that mean gun control doesn't work?

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Someone once posted a scan of the letter when Richard I sent out notices of the first gun registration to his subjects in the late 60's;

It began with the line "Dear Friend"



I wish I was making that up.

 

[NG VI]

Heeheehee check out this Freudian slip!

Being the Governments are not allowed to use the military against civilians, only in time of insurrection, looks like they're getting around that by training our law enforcement agencies into the fine art of war-making on the populace. They already wear full combat gear when called upon, and use full military tactics. So what's the difference? What's next handgrenades and 203 grenade launchers. How about machine-gun mounted Brady Fighting Vehicles. I personally think this is over kill for local law enforcement. It is surly becoming a Police State.

Emphasis mine.

 

[Deanimator]

"When they come to a scene, someone has a semi fully-automatic weapon and you have a little pistol, uh, good luck."

Daley is a "semi-wit".

 

[Nanook]

Try this logic. Daley wants the Olympics in 2016, tons and tons of money to be scammed. Billions. He thinks it will cement his legend.

Oh, I don't know, somehow I think his "legend" is already cemented. He butchers the language even more than his father did. He does the same to the Constitution.

He brings cronyism to new heights, dare I say it, Olympian heights. He, and most of his underlings are so twisted it's a wonder they can stand upright.

His legend is cemented already. He is one of the lowest forms of human life. He makes me embarassed I was born in that city. I moved as soon as I was able, but I didn't move far enough.

 

[Jim K]

I wonder what the street price will be for an M4 when hundreds of those police guns "walk away and get lost"?

Jim

 

[ilbob]

I wonder what the street price will be for an M4 when hundreds of those police guns "walk away and get lost"?

I'd bet they have pretty decent control over them.

However, I am reminded that over the years evidence that has disappeared from CPD evidence lockers has resulted in many hundreds of cases being tossed out for lack of evidence. Probably ten times as many would have been tossed except the defendant pled so never knew the evidence was missing.