Chinese Gun Ban

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Does anyone have any specific information on the chinese gun ban? I'm pretty sure Clinton banned chinese gun imports in 1994, and Bush banned ALL NORINCO imports in 2003. I'm curious to read the text. Is the Importation of parts also forbidden? What about sheet steel stampings?

anyone got any info?

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atek3
 
Clinton's motives were understood, but what are Bush's? Is he trying to go for some small sanction against them or is this an anti-gun move?
 
NORINCO sold missles to Iran so Bush stopped all imports (Norinco is a sprawling conglomerate owned by the PLA that makes everything from missles, to bicycles)... Huffy must have been P'O'd

atek3
 
it was a deal...

Clinton gave China Most Favored Nation trade status in exchange, the chicoms agreed to stop selling to U.S. importers all military style guns, i.e., AKS, MAk-90's, SKS's, M14's and M1911's.

SO the "Coach Gun" style shotguns, modern pump action shotguns and the M1897 Hammer-pump shotguns are still being imported.
 
So what you are saying is that there wouldn't be any statutory prohibition on a Chinese machine shop selling Rifles Barrels in the US?

atek3
 
So what you are saying is that there wouldn't be any statutory prohibition on a Chinese machine shop selling Rifles Barrels in the US?

the BATFE is going to start enforcing the barrel import ban. so im told
 
Norinco sold nuclear enriching material (centrifuges and the like) and secrets to Pakistan. They also sold missles to iran. They have been very very naughty boys. Note that weapons and ammo sales were a very small part of the stuff that was banned.

The barrel ban and similar doesnt apply to china per se and is a ban on all importation. Most of the affected parts kits are from eastern europe. This IMO is a much bigger deal since I wanted to make a parts kit this summer if I had the time.
 
Norinco sold nuclear enriching material (centrifuges and the like) and secrets to Pakistan. They also sold missles to iran. They have been very very naughty boys.

That's right. Now the only thing China can do anymore is sell goods to Wal-Mart. We taught them a lesson and showed them who's boss! :)
 
I wish that they would be allowed to resume the sale of weapons accessories in this country because their AK-47 magazines were superior to what's coming out of Europe today. I can't speak to the comparative quality of their AK-47s vs the European models but the one that I own is a Norinco that's never let me down as far as reliability goes; and all functioning problems with it had to do with surplus European magazines that I bought at the local gunshow.
 
economically motivated IMO, not an anti-gun move.

It's just like putting an import quota or restriction on other things that have an adverse effect on domestic producers.

At least that's my impression from the limited knowledge I have of this topic.
 
When it comes to small arms you have to think the US Arms industry must be happy with the ban. How many M1A1's do you think Springfield could make in Brazil and sell in the US for $2,000 US when you folks could buy a Norinco M1A1 for $399Cdn. Just got mine and love it. Only problem is I can't take it south to shoot in military shoots south of the border. Ban applies to sporting events as well.

As an side their 1911 pistols are excellent values at around $400Cdn a copy which is a selling price significantly below Colt/Springfields GI renditions.

Given the amount of trade between the US and China the ban on small arms sales seems to be a bit silly.

Take Care

Bob
 
On the other hand, GWB has the royal family of Saudi Arabia to the ranch - while Saudi money has funded the Wahabbist schools teaching hate.

Why not ban all the Chinese electronics, George?
 
So what you are saying is that there wouldn't be any statutory prohibition on a Chinese machine shop selling Rifles Barrels in the US?

and

Can we give them "least favored nation status" and get some Mak-90s imported again?

I bought a new MAK90 sometime back in 1991(?). Not too long ago I bought
a Yugo AK made up of used zastava parts and new US parts (barrel, receiver,
FCG, etc).

The motley 1/2 used 1/2 new AK shoots as well as the new Mak90 ever did.
The only difference is the lack of a chrome bore --which I would have been
willing to pay more for. But, given all the non-cor ammo that's here now
compared to the chicom mil surp corrosive ammo back in the 80s, it's pretty
much not even a necessity now.

You guys aren't missing out on anything that's not available right now. In
many ways our choices have been better over the last couple years than
they were back in the 80s because Americans have used their ingenuity
to fill the market.

If you use an inflation calculator, the Rom imports are far cheaper now than
the chi's were back then. Inflation wise the mixed yugo/US guns are also
cheaper than the chis were.

I wish that they would be allowed to resume the sale of weapons accessories in this country because their AK-47 magazines were superior to what's coming out of Europe today.

I've bought a tub full of mixed European mags that included both new and
used from Bulg, Rus, Rom, Yugo, Bos, etc etc. All my early mags were new
chinese (including a drum). Again, you guys are lacking nothing when it comes
to quality right now. Likewise, picking up mags at anywhere between $6-$10
each right now is on par dollar for dollar with the 80s without even adjusting
for inflation.

Some of you younger guys don't know how good you have it today.
 
hoppy590, what "barrel ban" are you refering to?

what part kit ban?

I'll agree that china makes junk, but so did japan in 1950. Give china ten years and they'll be equal to america in quality, and in 15 they'll be equal to japan. (and thats a conservative forecast)

atek3
 
atek3 it was maraging steel they sold, it's strong and easy to shape, and good for making missile bodies out of. Not missiles themselves.


You guys aren't missing out on anything that's not available right now. In many ways our choices have been better over the last couple years than they were back in the 80s because Americans have used their ingenuity to fill the market.

Good point! Ironically, the USA refuses to let people outside of it buy most of that stuff! The irony!
 
I'm pretty sure the US banned ALL NORINCO IMPORTS.

And that includes more than guns.

Yes lets keep the Chicom arms industry awash with cash.
 
LAR-15, I don't want janky AK's made by NORINCO... I just wanted to know if would be possible to setup a machine shop in Shenzhen or Fuzhou and export gun parts to the US.

atek3
 
Good point! Ironically, the USA refuses to let people outside of it buy most of that stuff! The irony!

And that's what is so dumb.

Heck the Democrats here are trying to get 50 caliber (any 50 caliber centefire rifle) exports banned to places like Canada, France and Great Britain.
 
LAR-15, I don't want janky AK's made by NORINCO... I just wanted to know if would be possible to setup a machine shop in Shenzhen or Fuzhou and export gun parts to the US.

I can't even start to imagine what kind of political connection you must have to make real gun parts in China, when even BB guns are banned these days ... :neener:
 
Ahhh, so the barrel ban only applies to barrels that if assembled into working firearms would be non-sporting foreign assault weapons. interesting. That means it wouldn't apply to 416 Stainless barrel blanks...

atek3
 
Heck the Democrats here are trying to get 50 caliber (any 50 caliber centefire rifle) exports banned to places like Canada, France and Great Britain.

PAST-TENSE!

It's illegal to export ANYTHING related to a .50, guns, parts, dies anything. Some bureaucrats in the States take it so seriously that Canadians have been denied who simply wanted to buy that .50 levergun made in Alaska, and it's not even .50 BMG!

So I don't quite buy the notion that US is banning Norinco imports to help the domestic industry, because they're banning domestic exports too.

I see that the US banned imports from Russia, banned imports from China, banned imports from the Swiss and Austrians and God knows who else. If I was in the US I'd be worried about all the places that imports were banned from.
 
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