Chinese Gun Ban

[robertbank]

Lucky you are talking about the UN Small Arms Treaty the US and Canada signed. Do some research, the Norinco ban and the limits on exports/imports between Canada and the US without a permit are not connected.

Take Care

Bob

 

[LAR-15]

It's illegal to export ANYTHING related to a .50, guns, parts, dies anything.

I'm pretty sure it's not.

The Dems tried to ban 50 caliber exports but the Republicans blocked them.

Someone else who actually knows will post I hope.

 

[robertbank]

Items totaling under $100 do not require an export permit. Gun parts including hunting scopes require an export permit to be exported legally to Canada. Seems citizens of the US largest trading partner and closest ally can't be trusted without scrutiny by the US Commerce Dept. Insults Canadians and the intelligence of the American public.

Personally I would like to see Canada tell Congress to either change the law or we turn the oil tap off. Might do some of the Southern Congressman some good to get some fresh air walking. Might include some of the Northern border nonsense Americans and Canadians have to go through right now as well. One thing is certain, both our countries are blessed with some of the dumbest politicians that ever walked planet earth.

Take Care

Bob

 

[LAR-15]

Seems citizens of the US largest trading partner and closest ally can't be trusted without scrutiny by the US Commerce Dept. Insults Canadians and the intelligence of the American public.

I believe gun exports are approved by the US STATE Department (except muzzle loaders).

I believe the law should be changed for Canada.

 

[Lucky]

Lucky you are talking about the UN Small Arms Treaty the US and Canada signed. Do some research, the Norinco ban and the limits on exports/imports between Canada and the US without a permit are not connected.

Take Care

Bob

No, I did the research a while ago and found the official rulings against Norinco. It's actually a series of bans, not just one. One expired a little while ago, but not all of them.

And I didn't say they were connected, I said:

"So I don't quite buy the notion that US is banning Norinco imports to help the domestic industry, because they're banning domestic exports too."

Meaning - the US isn't banning Norinco to help domestic manufacturers. If they were trying to help domestic manufacturers they would make it easier for them to sell their products abroad.

Looking at the scope and nature of the US bans, the only logical conclusion is that the gov't is trying to stop firearms from being imported. Modern firearms. Each country may have a slightly different reason why they're banned, but that just suggests the rationales given are meaningless. You can't get a Norinco for this reason, or a Sig for that reason, or a Dragunov for this reason, or...

I'm pretty sure it's not.

The Dems tried to ban 50 caliber exports but the Republicans blocked them.

Well then someone ought to let the gov't know! Because they refuse to sign off, not just on .50's and accessories, but there's a term, something to do with 'military value'.

Hell, just to get a barrel-blank a person has to jump through hoops. Canada has no rules against importing parts. But I have to get official Canadian gov't forms so that they can get approved by US officials, so that Shilen can officially be granted the privilege of selling one of their barrels to me.

 

[robertbank]

Lucky

The US and Canada both have signed UN Small Arms treaties that govern how export sales take place. I doubt any US firearms manufacturer would have much difficulty exporting small arms to any country not black listed by the US Government. Just a matter of paper work.

The problem with the treaties is they don't seem to consider the sports shooting crowd (I assume the anti-gun folks don't believe any citizen anywhere should have access to firearms). The paperwork does serve a purpose though it discourages sales and the only folks that hurts in the end are US manufacturers and their employees. A fact that I suspect is no concern to the Clinton's,Gores, Martins and Dions of the world.

Take Care

Bob

ps We have our own set of dumb regulations for our American friends to jump through as well so the US is not alone in this nonsense. The anti gun folks have the brains of a small gnat and they fly on both sides of the 49th.

 

[Lucky]

I didn't know those big international treaties were applied to individuals. That's ****ed up.

If I'm so special treaties can affect me personally, then I guess I can declare war on foreign nation-states too?

 

[robertbank]

Lucky

"I can declare war on foreign nation-states too?"


Well you can but it tends to be a rather short term proposition with little or no upside. About the same results as when countries do it but with less bang.

Take Care

Bob

 

[outerlimit]

Norinco sold nuclear enriching material (centrifuges and the like) and secrets to Pakistan. They also sold missles to iran. They have been very very naughty boys. Note that weapons and ammo sales were a very small part of the stuff that was banned.

Exactly! I mean, all one has to do is take a trip to Wal-Mart or Target and see all the Chinese stuff that has been banned. It was really comprehensive..

 

[outerlimit]

Norinco sold nuclear enriching material (centrifuges and the like) and secrets to Pakistan. They also sold missles to iran. They have been very very naughty boys. Note that weapons and ammo sales were a very small part of the stuff that was banned.

Exactly! I mean, all one has to do is take a trip to Wal-Mart or Target and see all the Chinese stuff that has been banned. And how effective the ban is. It was really comprehensive..

I wonder if Pakistan gave North Korea as much nuclear technology as we did.

 

[Lucky]

Pakistan published a CD with all the info they'd acquired, i remember. There was this turncoat guy with glasses, it was a while ago. IIRC a surprising amount of info was American and South American. China's nuclear program has been going on for several decades, and I believe they are not likely to share any information from it with anyone. They don't even let people know the launch dates for their payload rockets to space, they keep it secret until the last minute. They're very secretive.

The technology they've been accused of sharing is not, NOT nuclear, but ballistic missile technology. And even then they don't share much.

They're an international *******, who shouldn't be trusted, but there's no reason we all should have to be ignorant of the truth.