Chinese SKS pics and couple of questions

[Flyboy73]

Some pics of the new in box, still coated in cosmo Chinese SKS i picked up last week for $150.

Is it the import requirments that the bayonet is not attached?


Also can anyone tell me about the marks in the 2nd pics? Its the only marking on the gun besides the Serial number and import markings? Is this a Norinco commerical export or ex military.

Last pic was the only flaw in the gun, was a rust spot on the reciever cover. I cleaned the rust off with some steel wool. But was left with the mark in the pic. The spot is flush with the finish now, after cleaning off the rust. Any way to clean it now, or would you need a refinish?


Brion

 

[jpwilly]

You have a Norinco that was made for the US market. The bayo is not there because this rifle is not C&R but imported as a sporting rifle. As for the codes the triangles are where it was made the chinese writing basically means "Type 56 Carbine". I think it was made or imported after 1994 because that's when they made them remove the bayonet. It is illegal to put a bayonet on that rifle.

Here's mine:

 

[Funderb]

It is not illegal to put a bayonet on the rifle. don't scare the man.

the assault weapons ban expired, remember?

 

[jpwilly]

It is not illegal to put a bayonet on the rifle. don't scare the man.

the assault weapons ban expired, remember?

Funderb, just because you don't understand the law doesn't mean he can attach a bayonet. The rifle is not considered 922r compliant unless he adds the correct us made parts (that would be expensive) to the rifle. US made rifles can have a bayonet because the Clinton gun ban is gone. The 922r law deals with imported rifles. Just like the WASR, Saiga's, etc have to conform so would this SKS.

 

[Funderb]

What about the hundreds of people that own yugo sks' with bayonets that, I'm fairly sure weren't made in the US?
I guess they are all going to prison.

 

[Mojo-jo-jo]

Looks like the rusted area is pitted. There isn't really a way to fix that to "like new" short of blasting and refinish, or you could probably find a replacement receiver cover. If you can get it down to bare metal, you could hit it with some cold bluing compound. However, there will always be a cosmetic blemish. Otherwise, just keep some oil on it to keep it from getting worse.

Nice rifle, and a great deal! Congratulations!

 

[jpwilly]

Funderb, Just because it's being done doesn't make it legal. Get over it!

Tapco also gives some fairly good 922(r) info on thier site.

you need to replace enough parts on the SKS to have it no longer considered a imported weapon.
this means you need to reduce the foreign parts count to 10 or less.
this aletter applies to the AK, but is the same idea, and same pertinent law.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter27.txt

the SKS has as its replaceable parts
muzzle attachment(flshhider, brake, GL)
barrel
gas piston
gas tube
stock
handguard
gas block
bolt
mag body
baseplate(depends if it has one, ie detachable)
follower
hammer
trigger
disconnector

the parts that appear to be available to replace with US PARTS(this is important), if i look the selection over:
new US made detachable mag of ANY SIZE (3 parts there)
gas tube
gas piston
handguard
T6 stock

I dont know other US made parts that are made, but that should reduce your foreign made parts to the numbers necessary.
once its under the foreign parts limit, the BAYO is definitely ok, and 922(r) doesn't apply.

also, watch state laws, may not be legal at all if in new york or california.

So there you have it, follow?

You can of course go slap that $100 Tapco pistol grip stock on your SKS or add a bayonet if you wish and take your chances. The fine is only $10,000 and up to 10 years in fed prison if they prosicute you and your found guilty.

Best all.

 

[Funderb]

I refuse.




mmm wait, that means, according to the law, just having the bayonet lug is a crime, punishable by death. of course.

 

[jpwilly]

No I'm not saying the bayo lug is a crime. Just adding a bayo to this particular rifle is. Ignorance is bliss!

 

[Mojo-jo-jo]

What about the hundreds of people that own yugo sks' with bayonets that, I'm fairly sure weren't made in the US?

First of all, NONE of this has anything to do with the AWB that expired in 2004. This has everything to do with an import ban that went on the books in 1989, and is still there.

Yugos were imported under the "curio and relic" classification enumerated in 27 CFR 478.11. This makes them exempt from 18 USC 922(r) [via 18 USC 925(d)(3)], as long as they stay in original military configuration (ie. with the bayonet).

Chinese SKS's were never declared "curio and relic" and therefore are currently not importable under 18 USC 922(r) and 18 USC 925(d)(3). They can also not be "manufactured" with [a certain number of] imported parts. According to the ATF, placing a bayonet on a weapon that didn't originally have it (as imported) is "manufacturing." In order to comply with 18 USC 922(r), you would need to be sure that it has enough US made compliance parts. It can be done, but is prohibitively expensive. Heh, as if a US made gas piston makes a firearm "less deadly" than an identical Chinese made one.

Ready for this: It's ILLEGAL to put a bayonet on a Chinese SKS that was imported without one, but it's also ILLEGAL to remove the bayonet from a Yugo.
Adding a bayonet to Norinco = Manufacturing an un-importable weapon. (Norinco is specifically named on the un-importable list).
Removing bayonet from Yugo = Changing from original military configuration, therefore negating "curio and relic" status, therefore manufacturing an un-importable weapon.

Defies logic, yes?

The reason the Yugos were imported at all is that they were put on the "curio and relic" list many years ago. At the time, it did not appear that they would ever be imported in large numbers. It's probably the last military semi-auto that will ever be imported in large quantities to the USA in original configuration.

 

[Funderb]

I'm just poking at you guys for fun.
c'mon.

I've got a chinese sks too, they shoot great, with every type of ammo.

I wonder if you could classify the bayonet as a "functional dirtification impinger" You know, when shooting outside, the "range" is cold and you extend the bayonet and stick the thing in the dirt. keeps it off the ground, still pointed in a safe direction.....

more seriously though, what about a rifle that was never actually imported, one that has no importation electropenciling? what's the legal stance on that?


edit: so all those muzzle brake attachments, magazines and replacing broken trigger assemblies is technically illegal? I'm serious now, what if you break a part, and have to replace it, but don't want to pay a gunsmith 900 dollars to put in a new magazine or something? not that I'm implying that an sks will ever break... ever..

 

[Ash]

If it was a vet bring-back, it is long before the importation ban and is not part of 922r.

All Chinese SKS's were imported with bayonets. Plenty were sold legally with bayonets, plenty were sold naked (some were even ground). All bayonets that were removed were removed by the importers. Sorting out which could and could not have a bayonet on it, once a bayonet was placed on it, would be a real pain in he neck.

Ash

 

[Mojo-jo-jo]

what if you break a part, and have to replace it

You can replace a broken part with a functionally identical part. You just can't add something that wasn't there before.

 

[jdc1244]

OP: Congratulations on the new SKS, great rifles – enjoy.

It's probably the last military semi-auto that will ever be imported in large quantities to the USA in original configuration.

Sad but true.

 

[Eightball]

Removing bayonet from Yugo = Changing from original military configuration, therefore negating "curio and relic" status, therefore manufacturing an un-importable weapon.

Weird. So.......all those "project" SKSs you see around=jail time for the owner?

And BTW--nice SKS in the OP! And you posted pictures, which makes you a double winner!

 

[Flyboy73]

I was thinking of the 922r when i noticed the bayonet was not attached.

However i seem remember reading, that some Chinese SKS were imported before 922r took effect and could have the bayonet on the gun.

If true is there anyway to tell if they gun is pre 922r. I highly doubt this one is. Just curious if there is a list on which one can have it on.

I doubt i would replace the cover, as it is seriel numbered to the gun. Oh well gives the gun character.

Brion

 

[Flyboy73]

I was thinking since this is a commercial import, maybe i would put the Tapco Fusion stock, 20 round mag and 922r parts on it. I allready have a yugo and russian SKS and heard some pretty good things about the tapco system.

Looks pretty cool, to bad they are on backorder.

Brion

 

[Mojo-jo-jo]

more seriously though, what about a rifle that was never actually imported, one that has no importation electropenciling? what's the legal stance on that?

SKS's have never been made in the USA. All of them here were imported.

U.S. made rifles, made from U.S. made parts are exempt from 18 USC 922(r). The law bans the importation of or domestic manufacture from imported parts. It does not effect domestic manufacture with domestic-made parts.

FYI, prior to the 1989 import ban, Chinese SKS's were selling brand-new-in-box for $79-$99 each, and even less when "on sale." This is also the same law that killed the Polytech M1A's selling for $500-$600.

 

[Funderb]

when i was talking about a non penciled rifle I wasn't talking about an sks.
The question was what's the general stance on non-serialed rifles if you have no record of when it was taken to the US.

 

[Buzzbox]

Funderb, I don't think you're being serious, and you seem to have a poor grasp of what is legal and why. If you're asking a serious question, be specific about the type of weapon and year. Also, exactly what rifles are "non-serialed."

Honestly, if you are depending on the fact that you can't prove when a rifle was imported in order to do something potentially illegal to it, enjoy fighting it in court.

I think you're just yanking chains, and not in the fun, friendly way. Why?

As for SKSs with bayonets. I have a Russian SKS with its bayonet. Pictured here:


If you want a bayonet on your SKS, there are still plenty out there that were imported LONG before 922(r).

 

[MikeH]

To be precise, the 3 characters mean Type 56. No reference is made to carbine. In fact, the official Chinese designation is Type 56 Semi-Automatic Rifle.

 

[Mojo-jo-jo]

The question was what's the general stance on non-serialed rifles if you have no record of when it was taken to the US.

Any firearm made in or imported into the USA after 1968 must have a serial number. Those made domestically or imported before 1968 are exempt. Additionally, since 1968, imported firearms are also required to be marked with the country of origin, importer's name and location, and caliber or gauge. The import marking requirement does not effect domestically produced firearms, but the serial number requirement does.

If you have a foreign-made firearm without import markings and/or serial number it falls in one of two categories:

1. It was imported before 1968.
2. It is a veteran's war prize bring-back. This was formerly permitted with proper authorization, but also frequently done without authorization as well.

To answer your question more succinctly, a firearm that never had a serial number would have been made and/or imported prior to 1968, therefore is not subject to the provisions of the 1989 import ban.

Removing or altering an existing serial number is a felony with serious jail time.

[Edit: Nice collection Buzz!]

 

[Funderb]

Thank you mojojojo, thats what I was looking for.
I guess I can assume that since it can't be proven that is wasn't illegally imported, then it can't be proved that it was.

No, buzzbox, I am not planning to do anything potentially illegal,
I was wondering about any legality issues with such a weapon.
In case you were wondering, I have an M44 that was not marked for importation, and have no way of knowing the origins of said rifle. Nothing illegal here.
And thanks, I already have a bayonet on my chinese sks, but I also know it was originally bought in 1988, so I'm not really concerned.
Happy, or do you still need to make sure that I'm just trying to get a rise out of you?

 

[Buzzbox]

Your initial post in this thread was "It is not illegal to put a bayonet on the rifle."

You were not only wrong, but you offered that without knowing important details. Such a statement draws me to question the motivation/intelligence of someone.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable. If you're joking on about such things, best to include a smiley to remove any doubt.

 

[rust collector]

So, am I in deep do-do for taking the blade bayo off my pre-94 Norinco import? Mine is in military configuration, but I'd hate to think I was obligated to keep the useless tent-peg on there. The mount doesn't get in the way.

I also put one of the Chinese red fiber jungle stocks on it, and a cheap red dot which I may someday replace with a tech sight. Is there a special suite at club fed for the likes of me?

Sorry, not trying to jerk anyone's chain, but have wondered previously if I have stumbled into noncompliance by de-fanging my SKS (which I enjoy plinking with). Thanks in advance for the benefit of your research and experience.