Cimarron model P or Cimarron open top?

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Cimarron model P with 7 1/2 inch barrel or Cimarron open top with 4 3/4 inch barrel. Both are in 44 special. Please help me decide. I handload and I prefer lighter loads( 200 gr bullets @ 750 fps). I shoot quite a bit. Please help me decide as I just can't seem to make up my mind.:confused:
 
What are you wanting it for?

The 7.5 inch Model P is a big gun to carry around. If its just a range toy - it should be very accurate.

The Open Top is an older style, and definitely not as strong. The Model P was an upgrade to this crossover piece between cap and ball and the cartridge era. There are some good reports on the Cimarron Open Top. It would definitely be easier to carry and you should get acceptable accuracy.

All comes down to personal preference.

http://www.gunblast.com/Cimarron_ModelP.htm

http://www.gunsandammo.com/reviews/cimarron-open-top-review/
 
I will mostly use it as a range gun, maybe a nightstand gun, and occasionally as a walk in the woods gun. I would also like it to be real purty:rolleyes:To look at when i'm not using it.
 
Buy the Model P.

It was a vast improvement over the open-top when it was introduced in 1873.

Still holds water today.

If you plan to ever pack it in a belt holster and plan to ever set down?
Consider a 5 1/2" or 4 3/4" barrel model P too.

rc
 
I have a 7.5" .44 Special. It is a fine CAS sixgun but would be more portable if shorter.

I would not consider an open top for "nightstand" duty.
The design is not as strong and the repro makers have not got them as well sorted out as the older (in terms of modern manufacture) SAA.
 
I would also go with the Model P but in 5.5", not the longer barrel. It's just easier to carry and draw.

While not a Model P I really like my 5.5" Ruger Bisley in .45 Colt...

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Howdy

A couple of things.

Not too sure why you are limiting yourself to 7 1/2" in the model P and 4 3/4" in the Open Top. There are more barrel lengths available, you can get either model with a 4 3/4", 5 1/2", or 7 1/2" barrel.

The Rollin White patent, which Smith and Wesson controlled, regulated who was legally able to build a cartridge revolver with bored through chambers. It expired in 1869. Colt had been sitting on their hands and did not have a new design of a cartridge revolver ready to produce when the White patent expired. It was 1873 before they released the Single Action Army (Model P) with its stronger top strap frame. Instead they came up with several different 'metallic cartridge conversion' designs that basically modified their existing percussion pattern cylinders.

The model marketed today as the 'Open Top' is probably the best or these designs. Rather than relying on the narrow V groove on the hammer of the percussion models for a rear sight, the Open Top has a rear sight attached to the rear of the barrel. This makes them a bit easier to sight.

Even so, these are still a compromise design. They are not as strong as the SAA with its top strap design, the barrels on the Open Tops are fastened to the frame just like any Colt pattern C&B revolver by means of a wedge running through the cylinder arbor. And frankly, I am surprised they are chambering them for 45 Schofield and 45 Colt. The SAA cylinder is larger in diameter than the old 1851 Navy and 1860 Army models the Open Tops are based on. Unless the 45 Open Tops have a larger diameter cylinder, I would be leery of shooting them very much with full power loads. There simply is not as much metal there. Yeah, I'm sure they have been proofed, but still.......

Also, be aware that the model Cimarron is marketing as their 1872 Open Top Army has the larger 1860 Army grip frame, their 1872 Open Top Navy has the smaller 1851 Navy grip frame, the same grip frame that was eventually used in the Single Action Army. A little bit smaller if that matters.

The Open Tops are very cool and very distinctive looking guns, and if that is what appeals to you, go for it. I can tell you there are not very many of them that show up at Cowboy Action Shooting matches, the vast majority of pistols are either Rugers or variations of the Single Action Army. The Open Tops are very cool to look at, but most choose a Top Strap design for competition.
 
The topless Colt's have an appeal all their own. If they appeal to you, no SAA will do. My Open Top .44Colt has been excellent. Very well fitted and finished, it has also held up without issue through quite a bit of shooting and holster duty. With a bit of tuning and new springs, I wouldn't consider it any less suitable for nightstand duty than any other Italian replica.

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CraigC that is gorgeous. The open tops definitely appeal to me more visually than the model p. I am only concerned that they won't hold up to a lot of shooting. How much have you shot yours? Hundreds of rounds, thousands? Wow, love the look of the open top.
 
I have been shooting OT's in SASS competition for the past 12 years. While I have 3 pair, including one pair of 44sp in 5 1/2 barrel, I have shot one pair of 38's as my primary guns for that time. I shoot at least 6 matches a month, year round. With 30 rounds per gun per match, this would be 2160 per year, or about 26 thousand rounds each, conservatively. They were set up properly from the start. The only parts I have had to replace has been the firing pins when they were new, and the little spring that holds the loading gate closed. The pointabilty of the Model P can in no way match the OT, they are like an extension of your arm.
 
My Cimarron/Uberti Open Top is the 4.5" barreled one and is .38 special, not .44. It is surprisingly accurate and is one of my favorite plinkers.

I like the style. :cool:

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CraigC that is gorgeous. The open tops definitely appeal to me more visually than the model p. I am only concerned that they won't hold up to a lot of shooting. How much have you shot yours? Hundreds of rounds, thousands? Wow, love the look of the open top.
Thanks! I'm so happy with that sixgun that I'm thinking about getting it engraved and refinished.

I don't keep a round count like I should but it has at least a few thousand rounds through it. I carry it with a swaged 240gr Hornady SWC/HP over Titegroup for about 750fps. It's a good shooter and shoots to the sights.
 
CraigC

No doubt about it that Open Top of yours is one great looking sixgun and most certainly always a crowd pleaser whenever you show it.
 
The Open Top revolvers are plenty strong for their intended use. The top strap was added at the insistence of the US Army. I like both of the styles and would be hard pressed to pick a favorite. Here are two of mine.

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The Richards conversion is in the original 44 Colt and the Model P is shown with the 45 ACP cylinder installed.

For belt carry, I prefer a high riding holster that plants the grip near my elbow. Even the long barrel is okay but the nod truly goes to the 5 1/2" for sitting.
 
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Both .44 Specials. I LOVE the second one, a 4 3/4" model with an antique finish. If I'm outside, it's on my hip. The last four evenings I've been running a bulldozer down back, and I wore it three of them. I've loaded it as light as a 170 gr. RNFP @ a little over 600 fps and as heavy as a 260 gr. SWC at almost 1100. Pretty darned accurate with an occassional group going under 2" @ 25 yds. and the sights are regulated to put a 260 gr. SWC @ 950 fps dead on at 50 yds. Ain't life sweet?

Good luck with your decision!

35W
 
I just recently bought a Cimarron 1872 Open Top in .38 colt (also handles .38 Special) in 7 1/2" barrel.

This is one fantastic revolver, extremely accurate and tight. I did have to disassemble it and smooth several surfaces and rework the sear:

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But once back together it is an absolute joy to shoot. I don't think you can go wrong with an Open Top.

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BUT, if in doubt get both!

Dan
 
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