Tim the student
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He sure is.
Citizen Makes 165yd Revolver Shot to Save Cop From Ambush
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He sure is.
Owen - I do that with my kids in the yard, with a BB gun. We set up markers every 5 feet. If you hit, you get to back up one marker. If you don't, you stay put.
When my 8 year old daughter made it back to 50+ yards and is still hitting the tin can targets.. my eyes tear up a little with pride, I lose the ability to shoot, and I "lose" the game.
It's a good exercise even without firearms - great for learning trigger control.
Anyway, if my 8 year old daughter can make tin-can hits at 50+ yards with an off the shelf blister packed BB gun, I have no doubt any seasoned shooter could put lead on target at 165 if "the need arose"... PROVIDED you've practiced some distance shooting..
(It did take quite a long time for my little "annie oakley" to get to that point, BTW. I'm pretty sure by the time she's 10 she'll be able to out-shoot dad for real.)
When my 8 year old daughter made it back to 50+ yards and is still hitting the tin can targets.. my eyes tear up a little with pride, I lose the ability to shoot, and I "lose" the game.
It's a good exercise even without firearms - great for learning trigger control.
Anyway, if my 8 year old daughter can make tin-can hits at 50+ yards with an off the shelf blister packed BB gun, I have no doubt any seasoned shooter could put lead on target at 165 if "the need arose"... PROVIDED you've practiced some distance shooting..
(It did take quite a long time for my little "annie oakley" to get to that point, BTW. I'm pretty sure by the time she's 10 she'll be able to out-shoot dad for real.)
Texan Scott
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eyes watering, legs trying to cross involuntarily...
the brownwood loonie got off easy, then.
BRE346
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Well done all around.
There was an article in a magazine some years ago about the longest handgun shot.
The LEO was chasing a known felon on foot and the BG was getting away. The officer finally dropped down and fired one shot and killed the man. Measuring afterward they declared it was 174yds.
It would be utter folly for me to try that.
There was an article in a magazine some years ago about the longest handgun shot.
The LEO was chasing a known felon on foot and the BG was getting away. The officer finally dropped down and fired one shot and killed the man. Measuring afterward they declared it was 174yds.
It would be utter folly for me to try that.
WoodchuckAssassin
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I'm just happy to see a PRO gun story in the news. There's so much bad press about idiots who misuse guns that people forget that there is a reason the citizens of our country are allowed to own firearms. "An armed society is a polite society" - Jefferson. I think this particular bad guy will be a little more polite from now on
kBob
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What this guy did was great!
As to nay sayers.....
The old Metallic Silluette game's 200 meter ram was a lot smaller than a guy and they got hit fairly regular like, standing unsuported. Back in the early part of the 1900's The NRA's precurser to the American Rifleman carried articles about 200 yard "turkey shoots" with five and six inch .38 Specials and showed some results.
Think about it if you can shoot a three inch group at 25 meters ( and can't everyone that posts on the internet do that? ;>) then at 150 meters your group size should be only 18 inches, just a matter of, as several have suggested, knowing where to aim.
Still that was good shooting and well done.
Biggest thing I used to hear against such long range shooting was the "What's the point as the bullet will be going so slow that _______(fill in the blank). These folks are usually amazed at when you forinstance put a 230 grain RNFMJ .45 ACP slug through both sides of a 55 gallon steel drun at 100 meters. I once ran into some folks shooting down the side of a road towards a buddy's house with .38 Specials because "everyone knows the maximum effective range of a .38 Special is 50 yards". They said that as though they believed the bullets magically stop in mid air and fall to the ground at 50 yards.
Skill or luck it was doable and the fact that this guy took the effort and responsability to make that shot when it was needed makes him a hero in my book.
-kBob
As to nay sayers.....
The old Metallic Silluette game's 200 meter ram was a lot smaller than a guy and they got hit fairly regular like, standing unsuported. Back in the early part of the 1900's The NRA's precurser to the American Rifleman carried articles about 200 yard "turkey shoots" with five and six inch .38 Specials and showed some results.
Think about it if you can shoot a three inch group at 25 meters ( and can't everyone that posts on the internet do that? ;>) then at 150 meters your group size should be only 18 inches, just a matter of, as several have suggested, knowing where to aim.
Still that was good shooting and well done.
Biggest thing I used to hear against such long range shooting was the "What's the point as the bullet will be going so slow that _______(fill in the blank). These folks are usually amazed at when you forinstance put a 230 grain RNFMJ .45 ACP slug through both sides of a 55 gallon steel drun at 100 meters. I once ran into some folks shooting down the side of a road towards a buddy's house with .38 Specials because "everyone knows the maximum effective range of a .38 Special is 50 yards". They said that as though they believed the bullets magically stop in mid air and fall to the ground at 50 yards.
Skill or luck it was doable and the fact that this guy took the effort and responsability to make that shot when it was needed makes him a hero in my book.
-kBob
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last words "now just gotta live with it"
Saddlebag Preacher
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I am a retired LEO from KY and have always been very pro on the 2nd admendment. I worked in a small town where just about everyone had a police scanner. (drove the chief nuts as this was before cell phones and "private" conversations) One night I was assualted and was hurt. The backup was the next town's officer and he was ten miles away. My dad, who was a retired MP and some citizens came out to help until they arrived. Every one had a shotgun or handgun with them.
Yes I am VERY pro CCW or Open carry when one can legally do so. And I think most flyover state's cops think the same. The Big City Chiefs are political appointments, so they have to mimic the mayor's views. We know the crimninals will ALWAYS find guns or knives or louisville sluggers. A very understated fact most mayors won't acknowledge about police departments, We are reactive, not proactive. If the big city officer has time to actually look for and prevent crime, that is great, but most of the time is spent running from one call to the next.
Case in point, a few years ago the buzz words weree "Community Policing". That's what we small town cops have been doing for years. I spent a while policing in a large City department and it's impossible. I thank God for that gentleman and others like him every day.
Yes I am VERY pro CCW or Open carry when one can legally do so. And I think most flyover state's cops think the same. The Big City Chiefs are political appointments, so they have to mimic the mayor's views. We know the crimninals will ALWAYS find guns or knives or louisville sluggers. A very understated fact most mayors won't acknowledge about police departments, We are reactive, not proactive. If the big city officer has time to actually look for and prevent crime, that is great, but most of the time is spent running from one call to the next.
Case in point, a few years ago the buzz words weree "Community Policing". That's what we small town cops have been doing for years. I spent a while policing in a large City department and it's impossible. I thank God for that gentleman and others like him every day.
Salmoneye
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Noticed that too...
He doesn't want to be thought of as a hero...
Just did what he thought needed doing...
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and unlike the movies a real guy with a rifle was shooting back
Trisha
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A perfect example of real gun control being a skillset, not legislation!
Mauser lover
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Thats it! Im going to go shoot at a 200 yd gong with my revolver soon! The only problem is, here in CA, I would probably be arrested for doing something like that...
Dnaltrop
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I can only hope that my hands are that steady in 30 years, and that I never have to put it to that kind of test.
Here we have a prime example of those fabled folks to "beware because they only carry 5-6 shots..."
He certainly knew how to use them.
Here we have a prime example of those fabled folks to "beware because they only carry 5-6 shots..."
He certainly knew how to use them.
Clipper
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Elmer Kieth once made a witnessed, measured 400 yard shot with his m-29 that dropped a antelope his hunting partner hit and wounded. The animal was standing broadside and Kieth said he gave half the sight blade for holdover. He said he wouldn't have tried the shot if the animal hadn't already been hit...
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
kBob said,
I used to practice long range shooting up on the Pawnee Grasslands at unknown ranges and got pretty good at estimating both range and how much to hold up that front sight to "scare" a rock or cowpie. Kind of an internal calculator that comes with practice, even without knowing the numbers.
Yes, it's a good tool for your toolbox.
After that, metallic handgun silhouette shooting, with its known ranges, was relatively easy. Yes, I knocked down my share of rams with my out-of-the-box S&W 19 (6" bbl) at 200 meters.
Kudos to that armed citizen!
Terry, 230RN
Amusing side note: One of my first shots at an IMHS match went into the dirt because I was nervous. But it ricocheted into the turkey, which went clank, turned sloooowly around, like an over-dramatic hit in the movies, balanced delicately on one corner of its base for a moment, and finally fell down. I turned to the scorer and asked, "Does that count?"
He laughed and said "It fell down when you went bang," and marked it as a hit.
Truly, there's a lot to be said for suppressive fire.
I used to practice long range shooting up on the Pawnee Grasslands at unknown ranges and got pretty good at estimating both range and how much to hold up that front sight to "scare" a rock or cowpie. Kind of an internal calculator that comes with practice, even without knowing the numbers.
Yes, it's a good tool for your toolbox.
After that, metallic handgun silhouette shooting, with its known ranges, was relatively easy. Yes, I knocked down my share of rams with my out-of-the-box S&W 19 (6" bbl) at 200 meters.
Kudos to that armed citizen!
Terry, 230RN
Amusing side note: One of my first shots at an IMHS match went into the dirt because I was nervous. But it ricocheted into the turkey, which went clank, turned sloooowly around, like an over-dramatic hit in the movies, balanced delicately on one corner of its base for a moment, and finally fell down. I turned to the scorer and asked, "Does that count?"
He laughed and said "It fell down when you went bang," and marked it as a hit.
Truly, there's a lot to be said for suppressive fire.
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Carl N. Brown
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Thank you Bartholomew Roberts, for story about a hero. Needed some good news this morning, even if it was bitter sweet (at least he interferred with the murderer before he carried out his intent to kill again).
Frank V
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So much for the theory you'll never need to shoot your defensive gun farther than 25 yards huh?
He may not think he's a hero, but there's a Law Enforcement officer that doesn't agree with him.
I think he's a hero too. Engaging an enemy past a hundred yards with a handgun isn't something we'd all like to do.
Congratulations & thanks for saving that Officer.
Frank
He may not think he's a hero, but there's a Law Enforcement officer that doesn't agree with him.
I think he's a hero too. Engaging an enemy past a hundred yards with a handgun isn't something we'd all like to do.
Congratulations & thanks for saving that Officer.
Frank
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I wonder what would happen to the citizen if this same situation happened in New Jersey or Illinois?
Double Naught Spy
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But according to firearms expert, John Farnum, that would be nearly 8 times beyond the range of a pistol.
http://defense-training.com/quips/25Apr12.html
Really, John?
Yeah, no. 21 m is not too far and you don't always need a rifle. Even a slow talking old man can do amazing things with a pistol at distance!
svtruth
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Five hits, could he have been shooting a pre-transfer bar gun?
Luck: the intersection of preparation and opportunity
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Five hits, could he have been shooting a pre-transfer bar gun?
Luck: the intersection of preparation and opportunity
ATBackPackin
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I am calling BS. I thought there was no reason for civilians to own guns?
On a serious note, what a horrific series of events. At least those officers went home that evening thanks to the heroics of a man and his incredible shooting.
I am curious about something though. So after he did what he did, why was he cuffed face down for fifteen minutes? I can understanding being disarmed, but really?
Shawn
On a serious note, what a horrific series of events. At least those officers went home that evening thanks to the heroics of a man and his incredible shooting.
I am curious about something though. So after he did what he did, why was he cuffed face down for fifteen minutes? I can understanding being disarmed, but really?
Shawn
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