Citizen Makes 165yd Revolver Shot to Save Cop From Ambush

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SOP is usually to get unknown armed folks on the ground and handcuffed until you find out what is happening and who the players are...that takes a little time, as they then also have to secure the shooter. It is actually safer for both the officers and for the handcuffed person.


Times have sure changed. If I had ever cuffed someone and not charged them my Sgt. would have nailed my hide to the wall. We used to call that an arrest, and if you don't have probable cause for an arrest (possession of a gun within sight of an officer wasn't a crime then) what is your justification in using more than voice commands to restrain a citizen?

Given the Sheriff's attitude, though, I suspect the officers apologized all over themselves for inconveniencing this gentleman.
 
In respect to other recent firearms news this is a good thing to mention when asked your opinion. Too bad it will probably be played down by the mainstream media for obvious reasons.:banghead: Good for the responsible armed citizen in this instance.:)
 
Back when I used to shoot metal silhouettes I got to the point that I could clang the 2 foot tall ram at 200 yards about as often as not using open sights, and this was shooting off hand. I really believe that if I could have taken an aimed shot from a steady rest like a window sill, I would have a very good chance at hitting a 6 foot tall man somewhere on the body at that range.
 
Bet you won't see that on CNN

You are intimating that CNN is liberal and anti gun and hence won't show a positive gun use incident of a local news event from a podunk location.

CNN can and does have positive CCW stories from time to time, but no, you probably won't see this on CNN. In fact, you won't find out about 99.9+% of the news events that go on during a given day from CNN.

On average, 18 banks are robbed each day (6 day week, per 2010 stats). Chances are, you won't hear about any of them either.

That the Good Sam shooter is apparently trying to remain annonymous will not help with getting his story on CNN, even if the shooter looked like a vacationing Santa Claus. http://www.reporternews.com/news/2012/jul/30/more-details-released-brown-county-rv-park-deaths/

Of couse, it does not appear that any pro-gun folks have reported the story on the CNN ireport section either.

No reports of it in Dallas or Houston. Abilene has it, however.

Interestingly, the story has not come up on the NRA's website yet either. I am sure it will. Somebody will see that they report it.

Old soldiers are known for their heroics and their ability to react, even at old age, if often attributed to having been a soldier, but not Vic Stacy. Not a soldier. Not a LEO.
http://www.brownwoodtx.com/news/local/article_851fd04a-db90-11e1-8237-0019bb2963f4.html

Turns out, he missed the first shot, but did hit a tree squarely...and he grew up a peanut farmer, was a welder, and wanted to make leather goods. I would suggest we send him orders for holsters.


“My first shot hit a tree,” Stacy said. Then he added with a hint of a smile, “But I hit it square on.” It was one of the few lighter moments during the course of the interview.


Stacy is a native of Gorman, where he worked with his father as a peanut grower. But he found that there was a demand in industry for the welding skills he had learned on the farm. He has worked as a welder for 41 years. He moved to Brown County from Comanche about four years ago, and has plans to buy the equipment he needs to produce handmade saddle bags and similar leather goods.
 
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Nope. A .357 in well trained hands can make that shot all day long. We used to shot .357' s at a manhole cover and hit it fairly often. Hit it with a range finder a couple years ago, 260 yards.
I never would have thought someone could throw a range finder that far !
 
This is the total defnition of "LUCK"

AFS
I get the point so I'm not sniping (NPI) but it may be a scenario representative of a great quote I heard from a road racer years back: A journalist asks in a relatively harmless - though possibly perceived as diminishing - way; what the racer thought of his "luck" in a couple of amazing maneuvers garnering him the current win?

Racer says: "You know, it's a funny thing about luck, the more I practice, the luckier I get."
 
We used to call that an arrest, and if you don't have probable cause for an arrest (possession of a gun within sight of an officer wasn't a crime then) what is your justification in using more than voice commands to restrain a citizen?

I don't know where you are located, since you don't list a location, or worked in LE...or how long ago, but we call it a Detention.

Think the situation through for a moment:

1. Radio call information: Officer needs help, taking gunfire, unknown number of attackers.
2. First cover officer rolls up and sees a man behind cover holding a gun.
3. Cover officer doesn't know if the first officer has been shot, it the shooter is down, if the shooter has a friend waiting for additional officers to arrive before opening fire.

If the male is involved in the attack, I don't want to get shot. If he isn't, I don't want him mistaken for an attacker and getting shot by another officer.

Remember in the shooting of the Congresswoman a while back where one of the innocents who took the shooter's gun away was almost shot by a CCW responding to the scene because he had a gun in his hand
 
I live in Houston and this is the first time hearing about this.
They will get around to it once the swell of the publicity rushes forth....Maybe.

I wonder if his revolver might have been scoped per chance.
Brownwood is in some pretty fair deer hunting country and more than a few Texans hunt with handguns.
 
I guess a smart innocent citizen who gets involved as a shooter should leave the scene, contact his attorney, then go to the ER and go on record as being emotionally shaken after the shooting, seeking medical (possible heart attack?) and psychological counselling. Let the attorney contact the police, and be present before any questioning. Basically be ready to "turn one's self in" for questioning (not arrest, as arranged by the attorney), and arrange to be treated like a first class citizen. The gun can be handed over after the police sign an agreement not to scar it all up with an electropencil, etc. As long as the gun hasn't been altered, the evidence is preserved. There is no set time limit for compliance with the laws, especially once a good attorney is in the game. Oh, the police won't like it much, but it really isn't their job to protect YOUR rights, now, is it? I see no reason why the police can't act like gentlemen. After all, the real reason that they throw you to the ground and handcuff you is for their immediate safety at the scene of a shooting. Remove the threat (calm, civilized arranged meeting at the PD with attorney) and treatment ought to be more civilized.
 
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I was tempted to think it was luck too...until I watched the video. If this is a true story then that was not luck. He indicates that he fired five times...and hit him with each one.

If that is true...then that ain't luck...he's just dang good with a pistol...great actually. :what:
 
I was tempted to think it was luck too...until I watched the video. If this is a true story then that was not luck. He indicates that he fired five times...and hit him with each one.

If that is true...then that ain't luck...he's just dang good with a pistol...great actually.

Well see, and his story changed. So it isn't true. Turns out, he shot the tree as noted in my last post above.

Remember in the shooting of the Congresswoman a while back where one of the innocents who took the shooter's gun away was almost shot by a CCW responding to the scene because he had a gun in his hand

That was Joe Zamudio. A great self promoter. He made a lot of statements that were over the top. He confused the guy for the gunman after he said he saw the gunman get taken down. He thought the guy with the gun was the gunman despite the "gunman" not shooting at anyone, aiming, reloading, or anybody responding to him as a threat, though people were activily grappling with some guy on the ground. So Zamudio reportedly yelled at the wrong guy, grabbed him, got him disarmed, but I have never heard misidentified gunman's story or the corroborating stories of others stating Zamudio confused the wrong guy after nearly having shot him and disarmed him. Maybe somebody has a link to the other guy.

No doubt there can be confusion at a shooting, but I doubt Zamudio's grand story given the lack of additional information.
 
9mmepiphany,

I live in KY and was an officer for 20 years, we didn't handcufff until we were making an arrest. I know times have changed, but here restricting ones freedom of movement with handcuffs is comsidered an arrest. Different states, different laws. That's all. Nothing against where you work. Just different laws.
 
9mmepiphany,

I live in KY and was an officer for 20 years, we didn't handcufff until we were making an arrest. I know times have changed, but here restricting ones freedom of movement with handcuffs is comsidered an arrest. Different states, different laws. That's all. Nothing against where you work. Just different laws.
Yup, different case law

I have a friend who works for an agency in Paducah who was stunned when I told him we had discretion on warrant arrest...shall doesn't mean shall everywhere.

We can cuff and place in the rear of a squad and it's still only a detention...if you can articulate the danger of not doing so
 
...Chance favors the prepared mind. -- Louis Pasteur

How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice practice practice.

Kudos Mr Stacy. Right place, right time, right tool for the job at hand.

RIP David Michael House, 58, and Iris Valentina Calaci, 53 (and the dogs as well)
 
What happens if the old fellow had a dissability and handcuffing him would have caused a severe injury. Do they take that into account, or does everyone get the same treatment, and why didn't the officer say this man just saved my life, don't you dare push him dowm in the dirt ike that,
Could they at least have cuffed himin front and had him sit in the patrol car until they sorted this out, or is everyone there just oblvious to te fact that the guy saved one of their own.
 
SOP is usually to get unknown armed folks on the ground and handcuffed until you find out what is happening and who the players are...that takes a little time, as they then also have to secure the shooter. It is actually safer for both the officers and for the handcuffed person.


...Yeah, I know I always feel warm and fuzzy when I'm helpless on the ground with handcuffs on...
 
I know this wasn't one but, if it's a hostage situation, each and every "hostage" is suspect and must be controlled, one way or another. Sometimes hundreds are involved until cleared.
 
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