Citizen Makes 165yd Revolver Shot to Save Cop From Ambush

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Hmm. A 5" .357 is most likely a S&W Model 27 (there are others, but that is the most common production 5 inch revolver). Those gun are much appreciated by their owners, are extremely accurate, and one was THE favorite of Skeeter Skelton. My friend, a Colorado resident who really knows how to shoot, was able to tag an occasional running coyote with one at 75-100 yards. I have seen it done, so I do not doubt for a moment that the fella that took that 165 yard shot knew his capabilities, and knew his gun.
 
Good for him. Kinda reminds me of some dash video of some big galoot felon going for some little lone cop-gals gun and someone walking up and laying hands on the bad one.. down Texas way.
 
Imagine if he would have had one of those 44 ruger siloette target guns, he could have disected the guy.
 
GarySTL wisecracked, "He's never going to get a speeding ticket in that county, and maybe the whole state. A great shot."

Hahahahaaaaa! In the words of Montgomery Burns... EX..cellent. And a just reward.
 
ATBackPackin said:
I am curious about something though. So after he did what he did, why was he cuffed face down for fifteen minutes? I can understanding being disarmed, but really?
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Likely because the backup officers had no idea who he was or what he had just done. All they knew was they were responding to a call of an officer taking fire, then they roll up and see a man with a gun.

Likely what saved him was that he was not pointing the gun in their direction or firing it when they pulled in...also they he likely followed their directions when they told him to put the gun down and get on the ground.

SOP is usually to get unknown armed folks on the ground and handcuffed until you find out what is happening and who the players are...that takes a little time, as they then also have to secure the shooter. It is actually safer for both the officers and for the handcuffed person
 
IF this happened in Illinois, here's (probably) how it would have went down.

Bad guy murders people, sets up ambush for cops.
Cops show up. Bad guy shoots at cops, pins them down.
Civilian opens fire on bad guy.
Cops open fire on civilian.
Civilian dies.
Bad guy shoots cops.
Cops die.
 
WoodchuckAssassin said:
I'm just happy to see a PRO gun story in the news. There's so much bad press about idiots who misuse guns that people forget that there is a reason the citizens of our country are allowed to own firearms. "An armed society is a polite society" - Jefferson. I think this particular bad guy will be a little more polite from now on :)
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"An armed society is a polite society " was R. A. Heinlein. I believe it was a recurring theme in his novels.
 
ATBackPackin said:
I am curious about something though. So after he did what he did, why was he cuffed face down for fifteen minutes? I can understanding being disarmed, but really?

Shawn
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See this is the sort of thing that really pisses me off about LEO's
the guy saves their life and still gets treated like a common criminal.

I have reason for this to upset me because thirty years ago I was treated like a common criminal after saving my familys and my own life, I put an end to an armed burglary who broke into my moms house I shot him in the chest with a Colt 1911 .45 only after he aimed his Taurus PT92 at me. as soon as the incident had occurred I called the local sheriffs office and told them what happened. after a 20 minute response time with my gun unloaded and unchambered sitting on the kitchen table and a dead criminal laying in the middle of my moms living room floor and me sitting on the couch in total anguish from just ending another persons life even though he would have shot me if I had not shot him first one gung ho cop busts in my moms door that was unlocked to begin with and the porch light on comes in, aims his pistol at me and demands me to get my ""SORRY ASS ON THE FING FLOOR NOW!" ,cuffs me, charges me for murder, reads me my maranda rights and throws me in the back of a patrol car before even taking any kind of statement from me or my mom to find out what actually happened and threatened to arrest my mom because she was screaming at the cop why was he arresting me when all i did was to protect his family or something along those lines, which questioning only happened after I got to the county jail in the form of intrrigation which at that point I had absolutely nothing to say to the Catoosa County Gestapo without the presence of my lawyer and that is where I sat until my arraignment where the judge dismissed the charges with his apologies and the deputy sheriff and the department was reprimanded by the judge for displaying un professional conduct concerning my arrest. which BTW also mentioned should have never occurred in the first place if proper police procedure would have been put in practice to begin with.
and I never got an apoligy from that cop even after I won a law suit against the sheriffs office for unlawful arrest and police brutality.

come to find out later on the cop was fired for repeatedly making unethical arrests and brutalizing those who he arrested similarly to how he treated and arrested me.
I still get funny looks from a couple of deputys who still work for the county and what is the real kicker my brother is a deputy there.
I am glad the guy had it in him to help out the police
if it were me I am not so sure I would have helped them considering my previous experiences.
 
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Airforceshooter
This is the total defnition of "LUCK"

AFS
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I would say 6 shots (all hits according to the citizen) of a 5" .357 magnum at 165 yards is everything BUT luck. That is skill. With an elevated heart rate it is down right extraordinary in my opinion.
 
Wasn't John Farnham a shotgun guy? When did he become a pistol expert?
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Who said he was a pistol expert? However, he does teach defensive handgunning, has 2 handgunning books, teachings shotgun and rifle and has books on those subjects as well. He advices law enforcement agencies and trains officers as well as the rest of us non-experts.

So I found it apalling that such an expert would suggest 21 m is beyond the capabilities of a handgun (out of range), and yet we have this old guy who isn't the firearms expert who isn't particularly fit, downing a bad guy while saving the bacon of a professional who had gone to a rifle, but was being ineffective due to cover.

The old guy did great. He used his revolver well and it performed as we would expect, though it is more than he expected (at least for the bullet) and more than Farnam would have expected.
http://www.defense-training.com/pubs/index.html
 
That was kind of my view, also. I get tired of "experts" acting like the next new idea they come up with is the end end-all to whatever it is they choose to be experts on. What experts fail to teach, is that there is often more than one way to do something. I guess they don't have time to teach multiple ways, or will appear that they don't know ANYTHING if they offer more than one way to do it. I have always felt that if you can practice and hit at long range, you stand a better chance of hitting at closer ranges than you practice (your groups should be respectively smaller). Aim small ,miss small.
 
IF this happened in Illinois, here's (probably) how it would have went down.

Bad guy murders people, sets up ambush for cops.
Cops show up. Bad guy shoots at cops, pins them down.
Civilian opens fire on bad guy.
Cops open fire on civilian.
Civilian dies.
Bad guy shoots cops.
Cops die.
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That could happen anywhere, not just IL, and is exactly why I would not have tried to intervene. The police don't want my help and I will oblige them.

The old man is a hero and an incredible shot, and had a little bit of luck going for him. He should never have to buy his own beer after this.
 
Great shooting at 165 yards! I practice a little bit out to 125 yards or so with my .45 once in a while. I would not expect to even make a hit on a man-sized stationary target at that range under stress. However, I've always figured knowing about how much drop to compensate for I might be able to keep a BG pinned down so someone closer and/or better equipped could finish what needed to be done.

Edit to add: If you are involved in a violent confrontation you should fully expect to be tackled, disarmed, cuffed and arrested. The responding officers don't know what's going on or how you are involved so you should always disarm yourself before or as they arrive and assume a non-aggressive position as far as possible from anything that might look like a weapon. The cops have to protect themselves from you and everyone else at the scene until they figure out what's going on and who's who. Being angry at them for this is just silly. If you pull the trigger plan to be treated like a dirt bag for at least a little while, that's just part of the deal!
 
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many times I've knocked cans around @100 yds w/my slabside Ruger but my .357 GP100 4" bbl shot 25 yds max. never though to try it @100 or more.
good for the .357mag man and doubly glad the smart-a ss deputy got his just dessert
 
Where did we learn it was a 5" revolver? The news story in the link just referred to it as a .357 revolver and didn't mention barrel length, as least that I saw.
 
I once killed a wounded deer at 140 yards with my 6" Trooper, but the deer wasn't shooting back.
 
Hmm. A 5" .357 is most likely a S&W Model 27 (there are others, but that is the most common production 5 inch revolver). Those gun are much appreciated by their owners, are extremely accurate, and one was THE favorite of Skeeter Skelton. My friend, a Colorado resident who really knows how to shoot, was able to tag an occasional running coyote with one at 75-100 yards. I have seen it done, so I do not doubt for a moment that the fella that took that 165 yard shot knew his capabilities, and knew his gun.
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Hope and pray I never have to use mine against a human being.

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Good for him. I love hearing things like this. However, now I'm waiting for somebody to start saying .357 mag rounds need to be banned because they are too lethal for us to own.

As for 165 yards with a .357...I think it's very doable. This chart shows the MPBR of several .357 loads which the mpbr ranges from 100 yards to 130 yards, so 165 is definitely a reasonable shot on a man-sized target.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_trajectory_table.htm
 
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