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ive always thought the actual source of the myth comes from old military and black powder guns that were routinely cleaned from the muzzel.often with a dirty metal rod that abraded the rifleing at the muzzel and caused a drop in accuracy.if memory serves me, many rifles were shortened and recrowned to get rid of the last inch or two of barrel that had been damaged by abrasive dirt imbedded in either a wooden rod or a brass one.
 
i clean my guns so regularly that i never have to "scrub" them or be hard on them in the slightest

they get cleaned after every shooting session
 
yep....i try to clean/oil my unfired guns once a month also....best to just keep up on it is how i see it
 
Thanks everyone for the replies. Looks as if it is one of those "I heard it from so-and-so, who got it from so-and-so", ad nauseum. Not really a big deal, but it bugs me to see specious info being bandied about.

@Mike Yeah, the next time I see that crop up I'll try to find out where the poster got their info from. Hopefully without starting an argument.:D In the meantime I'll just keep on keepin' on.
 
It would be pretty nifty to see where that came from. Make sure to repost in here. 8)

But on a related note ...

i clean my guns so regularly that i never have to "scrub" them or be hard on them in the slightest

I really think that is the ideal state in the cleaning of handguns. A little bit of timely maintenance goes a very, very long way, I feel. Even my bores hardly ever see a real copper brush, because I clean them almost immediately.
 
Residue from modern noncorrosive ammo is in itself fairly harmless. The problem is that in humid enviroments that residue attracts and holds moisture from the air and that moistuer is what promotes rust. Household dust can do the same thing. I once inspected an old muzzel loader that had hung on a wall for years. It had a layer of dust on it and there was a strip of rust running down the top flat of the octagonal barrel where the dust settled and held moisture. The bottom of the barrel was fine.
 
I always oil them, which provides rust protection, and generally wipe them clean.
But I don't really consider that a 'cleaning'.
It is the scrubbing of the bore, to remove copper and lead particles every time with non corrosive ammo that is excessive.
Some residue also acts as lubricant itself.
But even if you don't completely clean the bore of all foreign metal some oil to prevent rust is always a good thing.

A completely cleaned gun before oiling is when the metal is in the least protected state. Oil and residue is removed and bare metal is fully exposed to moisture and oxidation.

Cleaning and not completely greasing/oiling the metal is typically more risky for the firearm than not cleaning the firearm each time. So if you are going to clean be thorough when adding protection. Just going through the motions, and stripping away existing protection can be more harmful than helpful.
Likewise partially removing some of the protective finish on a firearm because you have to polish or shine it up or give it a perfectly clean surface every time can do more harm than good. The finish ceases to protect the firearm sooner, and some factory finishes are more durable than what you are likely to replace them with.

Larry Ashcraft said
Shotgun chambers will rust and pit if not cleaned after each use, even in this dry climate.

Interesting. Smoothbore shotguns are firearms I do clean the bore of each time, it takes very little effort and imparts very little wear to clean a smooth bore compared to a rifled bore. There is also no lands that will receive most of the friction and wear down disproportionally while trying to perfectly clean out the grooves.



Working with machinery I have found greasy oily and slightly dirty machines far more durable than pristine looking machines. They resist friction, and have barriers to oxidation and moisture and generally stay as they are longer.
There is exceptions though, if you get foreign hard particles on the machine they need to be removed. Likewise metalic flakes or other wear needs to be removed for the same reason.
Sand or dust on a firearm for example would require all the grease and oil the be cleaned off and replaced with sand free oil and grease.
But non corrosive powder residue? That just mixes in with the oil and grease and makes it darker until the next time you clean it off.

It really depends on what you did on your outing.
Someone that just went hunting in the rain or high humidity and barely fired their firearm would be in more immediate need of a cleaning than someone that just went to an indoor range and fired 100 rounds of non corrosive ammo.
Someone that had their firearm picking up dirt or dust or exposed to water even if it was never fired may need an immediate cleaning, while someone that fired numerous rounds may not.
Someone dropping magazines in the dirt and then using them shortly thereafter as in many competitions for example clearly needs to clean the firearm after introducing all those foreign particles to the firearm.

Any firearm that is going to be stored and not likely used or cleaned in the near future also needs a thorough cleaning. People with large collections that may not use a gun again in the near future obviously need to clean it in preparation for storage.

People in humid climates are more vulnerable to moisture and will have oxidation problems from inadequate oiling sooner.
Just as those shooting in a dry dusty environment are more likely to need to clean out sand and dust regularly to prevent friction.
While the person that just took their clean gun, from its clean storage location, and went and shot it indoors in a clean range, and practically never took the firearm outside as many urban shooters do, can be just fine simply oiling it a little each time and cleaning it as needed.
 
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This is the most coherent explanation I have heard to explain why it is not a good idea to [regularly, if ever] spray brake or carb cleaner into a firearm.
 
automotive products are made for automobiles....i will never use carb/break cleaner OR wd40 on any of my firearms

some people swear by wd40 - but not this guy. I paid too much for my guns to be cheap about cleaning them! i will stick to products made specifically for firearms
 
Take for example a match shooter who puts a stiff borebrush through the bore onethousand times a day, regardless whether he has shot or not. Or a daily detail strip with all parts being sonic-cleaned, and then reassembled. [once a day]

I know of no competitive shooters who have such cleaning regimens.
 
Me neither, to be honest. But I am sure there is some afficionado, or tinkerer who does.
Or someone who is really that worried about it not working when they need it.

Takes all types, right?
 
Those of us who know how to clean, repair, maintain, and use our firearms aren't likely to ruin it when we get to scrubbing on it.

Exactly.

I have seen too many marred screw heads, worn muzzles, and scratched finishes to recommend novice gun owners to clean their guns after every use. And I have seen even more people totally degrease their gun, and reassemble with no lube.

I clean my guns when they start to get dirty, I don't apply a round count to it, it might be 200, it might be 2,000. I clean the lint out of my carry gun about once a week, and I clean my milsurps whenever I shoot corrosive ammo.


Guns are tough, they aren't made to be babied. A little dirt wont hurt.
 
Heck, some GREAT information here, but I will add in my .02c!

Most Competitive shooters will clean on a "Regimen" based on how many rounds they have down the tube, and when that PARTICULAR tube will begin to degrade in accuracy do to lack of cleaning. They do Not want to get caught in the middle of a long firing string with a bore that has just fouled to the point of accuracy degradation. They do not want to over clean, as this *CAN* potentially cause its own set of problems. Less is more, except when its not enough :)

All that being said, One thing I didn't see is Cold Bore Shots. A well respected competitive shooter taught me that if I take 92% alcohol and swab out my bore real good to get the Oil and Stuff out of it right before I begin shooting, my Cold Bore Shots will become A LOT more consistent. The reason I say 92% alcohol, is because it has less "impurities" and will dry faster, and more consistently.

Have a good one,
Gary
 
I clean the he#@ out of all my firearms every time I use them and have yet to damage them.
I have developed a method of preventing damage to the bore or crown with those jointed cleaning rods though. I take the shrink to fit wire insulation stuff ( don't remember what it's called) and shrink in around the joints. This prevents the sharp edge of the joint from contacting the bore/crown surface. I do the same wirth the joint area for the bore brush and swab tip.
I look at it this way, if a jacketed or other type projectile traveling at 1000 fps to as much as 3600 fps doesn't destroy the barrel, I don't think a bore brush is going to damage the bore.
 
The only exception that I have personally encountered is my Browning Buckmark, which seems to want to have some dirt in it to run well. Right after I clean it, it seems to hiccup some, and when it gets dirty enough to clean it hiccups on me, but in the middle, its smooth sailing. But, this might be a .22lr specific phenomenon.
 
Ivdo as my friends dad does. He has been doing it for 20+ years and no problems to date.

After every shooting trip, no matter how many, or few, rounds the guns see. I clean them. This is usually a field strip, with maybe a couple extra things. For example, my handgun, i also take the grips off and clean the moving parts under them, however, i do not remove those moving parts.

He also takes the guns he uses seldom, and cleans them every so often ( 2-3 months i think). I only have 3 guns so far. So its not much of an issue for me. Thy dont go more then 2 months without being used.
 
I have never been in the military, BUT...
A soldier depends on his arm. In combat situations the firearm will be subjected to exposure to dust, grit mud, grime, etc. for extended periods of time and fired more than us casual shooters can compare. The soldier must know how to totally disassemble and clean his arm beyond the normal care we expect. A unit armorer will quickly take care of any worn parts. It is tough to compare military use to even the avid shooters situation.
If I am out for an average range session, my arms usually get a bore wipe and wipe down, unless it is particularly dust, etc.
If I am hunting it will get a complete breakdown each time. Brush, exposure to humidity, rain, snow, etc. willl get into the action. Still, the number of times a year that it will get the full treatment will not affect the effective life of the arm (as several of my 3-4 generation arms continue to show).
 
Cleaning weapons in the military is as much about discipline as it is about maintenance. In the black powder days cleaning was necessary to forestall corrosion and retain accuracy. Today, with the advent of practically corrosion free powders, primers and jacketed bullets, cleaning is not as important as days of yore. We ex-military types probably clean our guns more than is needed, but I get a sense of satisfaction when I look at a clean gun before I put it in the safe.

Competition shooters clean to preserve accuracy, Bench rest shooters are probably more anal about it. I had an epiphany when I started shooting black powder in my cowboy action guns. After two cylinders of black had found its way down the bore, I found that I had a great deal of difficulty in hitting the targets. Even at close range, accuracy degraded to ridiculous levels unless I cleaned after each stage. I did not use wads under the bullets. Maybe that would have helped.

I clean when I feel like it.
 
Ummm..... This thread has kinda meandered off the question I was asking, so I'm gonna nudge it back on course a bit. I'm still trying to find the origin of the "cleaning your gun is bad for the barrel" thing.

Below is an opinion I found at ITS TACTICAL .COM (remember, I was/am asking for references). Not exactly what I was looking for, so I'll keep trying.


Myth #9 – “Guns need to be cleaned every time they are fired.”

Ummm…No! Keep them well lubed and you will be just fine. Modern weapons run like sewing machines for the most part. My days of “white glove” inspections went the way of my 6 pack abs.

They're his guns, so I reckon he can do what he wants with 'em. Mine are staying cleaned & lubed.
 
RaceM,

Part of that is every time you go jamming a rod down the barrel, Assuming you jam it down from the muzzle end, you add wear and tear to the Crown. Over time, this can Definitely have an adverse affect on accuracy. Period. This is fact. I use a bore guide and clean from the breach end.

Another part of it is what exactly are you jamming down there? If it is a stainless brush, then yes you can adversely affect the bore itself. In fact, even a good bronze brush might add enough wear to amount to a negative affect.

These are two things that are very much known.

Gary
 
I like the outside of the gun to look clean so I wipe them down whenever I think about it. I have noticed though, that if I take a clean gun to the range, the first several shots are flyers. The groups seem to get smaller the more rounds you fire. Go figure...
 
There was a story somewhere of that Magpul endorsed shooter who has a Bravo Company AR with like ten thousand rounds through it NO CLEANING. Just keeps it wet. No malfunctions yet (aside from a worn out magazine, ammo, non-gun related, etc).
Another guy posted on M4C that did a 2400 round test on his BCM AR with no lube and no cleaning. He didn't have any problems.

I have cleaned them after every range trip or every three months or so, but I think I'll stop.
I'm starting to care less about a scratch or two or a little bit of carbon.
These are tools, they are meant to be used. They get dirty and beat up.
That said, I probably will still baby my 5.7xxx serial number CMP Garand (there were only six thousand Springfields made in that serial range for some reason).
 
The only reason I can think of is because if it's clean then you aint shooting it. ala, "Happiness is a warm gun"
 
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