close range coyotes with 9mm handgun?

[Ben86]

They're ability to adapt to unconventional environments is only rivaled by rodents.

 

[Davek1977]

I've met plenty of 'city boys' who like to go out to the praries with their scoped AR15 and bag a dozen yotes in an afternoon. These same cowards also go blast 40 prarie dogs,

And suchj hunters would be welcomed with open arms on our ranch.....fewer coyotes and prairie dogs means less depredation of our calves and less pasture land made useless by prairie dogs. Varmit hunting is widely popluar, and also very challenging. It gives hunters and shooters a way to hone their skills year round, as neither coyotes nor praire dogs are subject to seasons or limits. Even so, the population of both are steadily rising, which leads me to think we need to convince MORE peopkle that shooting 40 prairie dogs or 12 coyotes is a fun way to spend the afternoon. its a win-win for everyone....ranchers get rid of nuisence species that tend to rapidly overpopulate and cause problems, and hunters and shooters have hunting opprotunites year round. Too, a hunter willing to collect a few coyotes or an afternoon spent blowing up prairie dogs stands a LOT better of a chance for permission to hunt once upland game and deer seasons roll around. Its not about being bloodthirsty...its about keeping populations in check, pastures from being destroyed, and to reduce predation by predators. It serves a purpose like most hunting does. Anyone blind to that fact has spent very little time in any sort of rural environment. Random, indiscriminate slaughter of animals is somehting I could never support. However, prairie dogs and coyotes are largely nuiscence species that can cause serious problems for those in farming and ranching professions. Its easy to talk about slaughter and indiscrimnate killing when you've never seen a coyote, or pack of coyotes, eating a partially born baby calf still hanging out of its mother's body. Maybe you haven't seen hundreds of acres reduced to absolute wastelands by uncontrolled praire dogs. Thats OK if you haven't, but some of us HAVE. We KNOW why we kill these animals and encourage otehrs to as well. Maybe you've had a diffferent set of life experiences, but those of us with rural backgrounds have seen the the cycle of life and death on a daily basis. We know where our food comes from other than the grocery store. We know that in order for some animals to live, sometimes other animals must die. None of this seems like rocket science to me, but I've lived it. Some people haven't, and we've got to remember thier ignorance of our reality doesn't change the fact that our reality IS real. You can pretend to know all you want about slaughtering coyotes and praire dogs, but until you've witnessed the damage they can do when left unchecked (even in areas with no closed season and no limits on either animal) you don't really know what the heck you are talking about.

 

[weisse52]

I would not go out of my way to shoot one, but in the right place at the right time (or is that the wrong place at the wrong time) I would shoot one.

As someone already stated, it would have to do more with where I was and what the yote was doing.

I do not blame ranchers from blasting them on sight. For those who do, oh well.....

 

[Original_G]

It is simple logic. If you kill all of the coyotes you get more and more rabbits and prerie dogs and they are much harder to get rid off.

 

[millertyme]

I'm a little surprised that there aren't more pictures of dead coyotes that were taken with 9mm's of various configuration just to prove a point.

 

[Prosser]

what are the natural predators for prarie dogs?
Gophers?

 

[Davek1977]

what are the natural predators for prarie dogs?

Coyotes, birds of prey, badgers....basically anything that can catch 'em will eat 'em. Thats one of the problems with some of the more effective poisons out there....if the praire dog dies above ground, some poisons remain active in the carcass, posing a danger to hawks, eagles, owls, and anything else that happens across them. This danger was worse before restrictions were passed as to what poisons could be used. Now, only certain chemicals (with a shorter 1/2 life) designed to kill the rodent underground can be used, and only then by licensed applicators. The hoops one just jump through to stop the damn things from destroying one's pastureland are absurd, but poisoning them is the ONLY effective method of control. Even a 1/2 dozen of those "hunters" leadcounsel seems to dispise won't successfully or effectively "shoot out" a town even given days or weeks to do so. The critters aren't dumb, and won't show themselves if they sense danger. In 33 years of growing up around prairie dogs, I've never seen a town controlled or decimated by hunting. The only effective way to reclaim the land is to poison the town and start over. Even then, roamers from neighboring towns will attempt to set up residence in abandoned towns. in these situaitons, so long as they are discovered QUICKLY, shooting them can keep them from becoming reestablished. However, if left to their own devices, the town can rapidly repopulate, either with newborn pups or recruits from nearby colonies. On our ranch, we are forever struggling with dogs, because despite our constant attempts at controlling them, we have neighbors that seemingly don't care that their land (and now ours) is being destroyed, with holes every few feet and grass nibbled to the dirt. Its a constant source of hard feelings in the ranching world....yet theres some of us who would appearently call what our neighbors practice as "conservation" and what we do on our ranch as "slaughter".....but to see the two ranches side by side paints a vastly different picture. Grass is abundant on our sides of the fence, with wildlife populations booming. Turkey, deer, antelope, grouse, etc are all common in our areas.....but rarely seen in the expanse of desert our neighbor's land has been turned to. Praire dgs are fine...in moderation. Left uncontrolled, they rape the land and leave it utterly worthless.

 

[Prosser]

As you've stated, the only real way to get at them is going underground? So what works?
What about snakes? Import a ton of badgers, but they dig pretty good size holes too, don't they?

Seems to me snakes would be the answer, since they can easily move underground, populate at a pace that is close to dogs(?).

Back on topic, but does a large population of coyotes, or even a reasonable one, seriously impact dog populations?

And what about pigs? They seem to be the worst, since they are smart, eat a lot, breed like crazy, can be vicious, and are sweeping the US?

Coyotes go after pigs?

 

[Rail Driver]

Wolves dont attack humans.

http://www.prosts.com/Article-Wolf-Attacks.htm

http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2007/11/01/wolf-verdict.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0D1EFB3F5512738DDDAA0894D1405B8985F0D3

It happens, just not as often as other species attack humans. There were many many more links I just provided the first few in the list.

As far as 'yotes... shoot em with whatever you've got, they're pests and they cause damage to livestock and property.

 

[hardluk1]

Does anyone thing this tread has got'n a bit off topic????????

 

[~Boomslang~]

@Millertyme "I'm a little surprised that there aren't more pictures of dead coyotes that were taken with 9mm's of various configuration just to prove a point."


I posted a pic of one I took posing with the P225 that fell the Coyote.