close range coyotes with a .22mag revovler?

[CraigC]

Wow nice pics, Craig. And nice shootin.

Thanks!

.22Mag out of a handgun is 'similar' to .22LR out of a rifle but you have to remember that you get a much better and heavier bullet with the WMR, regardless of velocity. Which I've clocked at 1380fps for Winchester 40gr and 1450fps for Remington 33gr from a 5 1/2" barrel. Compared to 1200fps for high velocity 36gr .22LR from rifle-length barrels.

 

[Jimmy10mm]

Not making any point here, just conversation. Forty years ago a buddy of mine and I used to go out to the dump and shoot rats. They were plentiful and I was using a Colt New Frontier with a 4 3/8" bbl and sometimes the 22LR and other times the 22WRM cylinder. In either case those rats would sometimes take multiple hits to stop them. Tough little critters. Where that dump was is now an upscale neighborhood and you can't discharge a firearm out of doors legally within the county unless it is at a licensed firing range.

 

[Ratdog68]

Not making any point here, just conversation. Forty years ago a buddy of mine and I used to go out to the dump and shoot rats. They were plentiful and I was using a Colt New Frontier with a 4 3/8" bbl and sometimes the 22LR and other times the 22WRM cylinder. In either case those rats would sometimes take multiple hits to stop them. Tough little critters. Where that dump was is now an upscale neighborhood and you can't discharge a firearm out of doors legally within the county unless it is at a licensed firing range.

As "soft bodied" as they are... and as SMALL as they are... were those .22 slugs even doing anything more than zipping right past through before they could mushroom and cause damage?

 

[valorius]

I think he meant to say a 22mag out of a handgun is about the same as a 22lr out of a rifle.

 

[camsdaddy]

Knowing the havoc a coyote can have on wildlife and farm animals I would say its worth a try. I promise whatever I have handy at the time is going to get a chance at taking one.

 

[seeker_two]

You must remember that a 22mag out of a handgun is about the same as a 22lr.

I think he meant to say a 22mag out of a handgun is about the same as a 22lr out of a rifle.

This is correct.... a .22Mag from a 4"+bbl pistol is equivalent to a .22lr from a 16" bbl rifle. But, the .22Mag bullets tend to be better constructed than .22lr bullets, so .22Mag will perform better.

I wouldn't doubt that a .22Mag from a Single-Six would handle a coyote inside of 50yds., but I'd want to make sure I put the round in a vital spot (heart, brain, etc.). No need to just wound one....

 

[Purgatory]

While we're talkin .22 mag, is anyone else a big fan?

I love that little cartridge! I've had a Marlin 882 for over 15 years and I can keep a pattern less than an inch at 100 yards with the factory irons no problem. Haven't tried it in a handgun, but wanted a revolver for a while to play with.

With the accuracy I get outta that little bolt rifle, I wouldn't hesitate to take head shots on nuisance pests like coyote any day.

Fun stuff!

 

[Prosser]

coyote or fox?

 

[jimmyraythomason]

^ red fox.

 

[Prosser]

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Not making any point here, just conversation. Forty years ago a buddy of mine and I used to go out to the dump and shoot rats. They were plentiful and I was using a Colt New Frontier with a 4 3/8" bbl and sometimes the 22LR and other times the 22WRM cylinder. In either case those rats would sometimes take multiple hits to stop them. Tough little critters... "

We had wharf rats around a garbage area that we couldn't get rid of. We setup with a 22 rifle, but used shorts. The shorts would go through 6-8" of wharf rat, but, you really needed to hit something vital or they lived to long for my taste.
We shot one with a .22 pellet gun, @ 950 fps, and it bounced off her, doing nothing but piss her off.
CraigC: great pictures, thank you.

 

[jamesjo]

purgatory,
Yes, I'm a huge fan of the 22 WMRF also.
I have 11 handguns in 22 magnum.
Fantastic round, even if it is pricey!
I use my lr cylinder for plinking, but unless I am going to the range, the magnum cylinder is almost always installed in all my revolvers.
I have an Excel Arms MP-22 that I installed a Leupold VX-III pistol scope on.
With the 8" barrel it is a varmints worst nightmare!!
Here's pics of a few of my 22 magnums.

High Standard High Sierra


H&R Model 686 4.5"


H&R Model 686 7.5"


H&R Model 686 12"


High Standard built Automag


Excel Arms MP-22

 

[Purgatory]

Wow, quite a collection, James. So what do you think of the new PMR 30 .22 mag auto pistol with 30 round mag?

Talk about eradicating a whole mess of 'yotes. -All in a day's work.

Any chance it'll be on your list?

 

[Clifford]

Mmmmmm...PMR30 or .22 upper for one of my Colts... That little bug has been chewing me up for a few months now.

BTW as long as you can hit it a, .22LR out of a 4" handgun 30 yards or less will drop any yote hit in the nugget, I'm sure the mag will do fine. Unless the yotes in your neck of the woods are really big ones, AZ yotes are mostly smaller 30-40 lbs.

 

[Jefferson Herb]

I'm glad to see some other fans of the .22mag.If you don't mind the price try the win 34gr supreme which is the same bullet used in the hornet.
I don't have all the .22mags as jamesjo,but I've ratholed enough ammo to last a bit.

 

[Purgatory]

I have some of the Remington Premier 33 gr's, Jeff Herb. They have the plastic pointed tip like hornady does in red. These are closer to the color of the jacket. Anyway, they're very accurate. Think I prefer the heavier ones, though. Especially for dispatching critters.

Cliff, do they make a .22 WMR upper? I could see that bein a sweet deal.

 

[jamesjo]

purgatory,
thanks!
I'll post pics of the rest of the convertibles, also forgot about a H&R model 604, 22 mag only. So that's 12.
I sold my only rifle awhile back, ruger 10/22 mag.
Couldn't pass up the offer!
The Kel Tec is interesting, but, I will wait until it is actully available, and is out in the field for awhile before I decide on a purchase.
22mag is pretty pricey to be out blowing through 30 round mags also.
Health issues have really shut down my range time lately, and, I really just concentrate on my H&R collecting.
I am even considering selling the Automag, and Excel, because I don't shoot them, they don't really fit with my H&R's, and it's a lot of money just sitting there.
I really like the Remington premiers also!
Very accurate in all my Models.
They also give me no feed issues in the Automag, and it can be a picky eater.
The problem is that they are a little hard to find around here, and they are about the most expensive 22 mag around.
About $ 15 a box locally.
I haven't tried any of the Winchester Supremes.
I mostly shoot Winchester, and Fiocchi, 40 grain HP, which work well in all my pieces.
Here are pics of the rest of my 22 mags.
Hope you like them!
Jim


H&R model 686 10"


H&R model 686 5.5"


H&R model 649 5.5"


H&R model 649 7.5"


H&R model 650


H&R model 604

 

[Prosser]

I'm wondering how you ever get close enough to a coyote to hit it with a handgun????

 

[Ratdog68]

I'm wondering how you ever get close enough to a coyote to hit it with a handgun????

Sometimes it just a matter of being still. A year and a half ago (while deer hunting during muzzle loading season) I watched a 'yote trot on in towards me. At about 20yds., he got that "OH CHIT" look about him when he finally got my scent, turned and burned outta there. I thought about burying a .45 cal ball in his hide... but, chose not to.

 

[336A]

I'm wondering how you ever get close enough to a coyote to hit it with a handgun????

While my neighbor was raking hay yesterday he had a coyote follow him for awhile, probably hoping that he would kick out some field mice. The coyote was only 3 wind rows away at this point which is roughly 10-15yd. As long as they are accustomed to farm equipment you can get pretty darn close to yodle dogs. He got tired of following the tractor around the hay field, then sat beneath some tress for shade and watched my neighbor from there.

Today I was on the back of the wagon behind the bailer stacking hay. I turned around and there was that same coyote that my neighbor was telling me about yesterday. He is one lucky pooch as there is a season on them here and it is not open. That is okay though, very soon (when season opens) he is going to get aquainted with my Marlin 1894SS .44mag and Hornady 240gr XTP's

 

[Iron Will]

I'm wondering how you ever get close enough to a coyote to hit it with a handgun????

Practice, practice, practice…and a little luck. Really no need to get up close with a handgun. I took this one the other day from the back of the tractor at 83 yards (251 feet). We’ve been having problems with coyotes for the past couple of years…killed one of our dogs by the house.

I was out on the tractor when I spotted this one chasing some turkeys heading straight for the house. I pushed in the clutch and break pedals, drew my Blackhawk 45 Colt and fired right from the tractor seat! Result from a lot of practice and a little luck…

 

[RonBernert]

We had a few days of hay cutting over the weekend, and the guys shot 2 yotes while raking and turning.. Same thing- looking for rabbits and others while willing to get just a little closer to the machinery. Normally, they would leave the coyotes alone, but in the past few weeks we've been missing a couple of our barn cats...

The gun was a .22 Mag.

 

[jamesjo]

iron will,
Nice shooting!
Another good varmint! ( dead )

 

[CraigC]

That's a rough-lookin' dawg!

 

[bhk]

I did some chrono testing comparing my 6 inch SW 648 to my 6 inch SW 35 (.22 long rifle). The magnum ammo resulted in over TWICE the muzzle energy of the long rifle ammo in my revolvers.

I also compared my handgun magnum results with published .22 long rifle high velocity loads from a RIFLE and found that the magnum energies from a handgun beat the .22 long rifle from a rifle by 17 - 22% depending on whether one is using solid or hollow points in the regular .22.

The magnum ammo tested was 40 grain Super-X jacketed hollow point, not the hottest ammo around but perhaps the one with the best bullet. Remember, these handgun velocities were from a 6 in. revolver.

 

[hardworker]

A 22lr will kill a coyote if you hit him in the right spot no problem. Also, how often do coyotes ever charge people? Around here it's almost impossible to get a shot at one unless dogs are running him. Most of the time they sneak around and try not to be seen.