CNN fanning "assault rifle ban" flames

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Yeah, I really see the VP and Prez taking time out of their leisure filled first week in office with a tanking economy, to make binding national policy statements to some piss ant mayor in Florida.

The president is having difficulty in getting his own party members to pass the economic plan and he's going to focus on this?

Perspective people, that means know the opposition and be aware, don't go Chicken Little every time some mouthy politician aims for a sound bite as opposed to actions.

Never underestimate the ability of government to waste time and energy on truely unimportant nonissues irregardless of impending crises be it the local town council or the highest office in the lands

What was the first thing the Clinton admin focused on when they took office and inherited all the problems going on in the early 90's?

That's right Gays in the military :rolleyes:

I get a kick at how you have the second highest executive in the land on video saying they'll be another ban and yet some of you folks still manage to convince yourselves a head in sand wait & see response is all that's warranted
 
I get a kick at how you have the second highest executive in the land on video saying they'll be another ban and yet some of you folks still manage to convince yourselves a head in sand wait & see response is all that's warranted
It’s only a matter of time before we are all crying about our lost freedoms like they did in the UK and Australia. The framers of the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban are back in office and they learned from their first mistake of only implementing the law for 10 years. This one will be permanent. Hoard your ammo and get all the semi-auto firearms you want for the rest of your life and while you can because the imminent loss of liberty is rapidly approaching!
 
They, the current administration have plenty of time, plenty of recources and plenty of support to bring about "real change", "change you can use". :barf:

If you don't think there is multi-tasking going on, think again. Read the Febuary issue of the NRA Magazine American Rifleman and the article/special feature, Has Their Time Come?

According to Joe Biden...
 
No flames here. You dont even want to know what I think...
I'm in the same boat. I have little to say that is high road. Anything I said would get me a strongly worded PM from a moderator, and probably put on a government watch list, lol. So, to sum up my feelings on this, I am very unhappy about the possibility of an "assault weapon" ban, and I think the founding fathers would be rolling in their graves about the current administration.
 
Biden is a well known blowhard and even Obama will tire of him soon. I would not be surprised to see a different running mate in 2012.

Obama, and especially Biden would like to see another AWB but it can't happen without enough votes in the house and senate. Right now there are not enough votes to pass another AWB. Obama would be foolish to pick the biggest fight of his political career in his first term. If he loses the fight he will have lost a lot of his power. Even if he wins he knows he could end up like Clinton in 1996, a lame duck for the last 4 years of his presidency.

Letting our elected officials know where we stand and reminding them of 1996 is the best approach. We need to be proactive, but it is not time to panic and get caught up in a lot of hysteria.

With Obama, and our new Attorney General I would not be surprised to see anything that can be done to make life difficult for gun owners. But I still do not see major gun control laws being passed until at least 2011 when the next elections are over. Until then we need to keep electing pro-gun senators and congressmen.
 
They learned a lot since the last ban too, as can be seen in most new bans and the AWB "renewal". Every year since they have been trying to pass AWB II and its much more inclusive than before.

They learned some people had a point when pointing out it banned primarily cosmetic differences. So now they are going after actions. Essentialy all semi auto rifles that can take a detachable magazine.
Shotguns have even worse restrictions.

They also often include some tiny line that the Attoerney General can ban any specific gun at will.
We have one of the most anti-gun AG as well. "Anti-gun" is probably the wrong term, as they are very much for people under thier command having the best firepower.


Some of the last failed AWB have also included a line to allow the banning of all semi autos suitable for military use, or based on such a rifle, or similar in any way.
The determining factor? If it was adopted by any federal LEO agency, or branch of the Armed Forces:

`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.

You have to like that last part, just because it is "sporting" does not mean it is "sporting" as we define.

Make no mistake, they want them gone, and they had Bush in office and many more in the House standing in the way before.
The text above would essentialy allow the banning of any firearm any time any year in the future at will of any administration without any new passage of law. All that is required is the pen of the AG.
Eric Holder does not like your guns.


To the ignorant most of the AWB "renewals" appear identical to the previous AWB. There is just a few extremely key lines added that change the entire scope of the thing.
Even kits to convert "assault weapons" to legaly compliant firearms by modifying features could be considered outlawed under HR1022:
`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:

`(K) A conversion kit.

The next AWB they have planned will not have most of the "loop holes" allowing you to just change cosmetic differences like the previous one.

You can certainly tell the media's agenda. Many shootings get national coverage. Yet most other crimes in the streets remain only localy covered.
You will probably be hearing a lot more about shootings in places far away from you in the near future.
They can make the crime appear to rise or fall to the average member of the herd at will just by altering reporting practices.
Imagine if you heard about every vehicle accident. You would think we suddenly had a huge wave of car accidents.
That is what they do with firearms when they wish to alter perception and push for legislation.
They create the appearant problem, and then they present people offering "solutions" to the problem.
 
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Im not going to jump into the argument of "they are coming now" "no they are not".

I have but one question.The buzz about is them making it permanent.How can you make any law forever?What would stop a future Congress or President from over turning a ban?

Doesn't the American constitution say you can't make something permanent without a consitutional amendment?
 
Im not going to jump into the argument of "they are coming now" "no they are not".

I have but one question.The buzz about is them making it permanent.How can you make any law forever?What would stop a future Congress or President from over turning a ban?

Doesn't the American constitution say you can't make something permanent without a consitutional amendment?

With the demographic shifts this country is seeing and the vaginification of the republican party any ban would indeed perminate for all intensive purposes
 
CNN pushing an agenda?
NO say it ain't so, just not possible...... :cuss::banghead::barf:
 
Bailey Guns,

I like your way of thinking. You hit the nail on the head with every statement in your post.

On another note, someone earlier here mentioned that Clinton took two years for the AWB, therefore Barrack HUSSEIN Obama's crew won't make a move yet. And that they have more important things to do. What do they have to do that is more important? The economy?! The economy has been in worse shape before and has worked its way out. The government can't fix OUR economy...bailouts don't work because it's OUR money that they are lining their pockets with. All the Dems are going to do is let it work itself out, then say, "look, we fixed the economy that the evil Repulicans wrecked." It's all BS. And either way, how long does it take for a bill to go through, if they actually care about it? Hell, they could work on something like that in their spare time.

It seems like people here really don't understand how corrupt these professional politicians really are. We all know that they are benefiting from the bailouts and every other spending bill that gets passed. These are wealthy people that "earn" way more than they make in their salaries...and that is not a conspiracy theory.

The point I am trying to make is, if they want, they can pass a gun bill in nothing flat. They have complete control right now, the House, Senate, Presidency, and just about 50/50 in the Supreme court, and in case you don't know...THAT'S ALL THERE IS (besides us). Easy as pie. Therefore, don't trust them and be concerned!
 
Yes, it is about banning people from baring arms. What I like to know is what is with the stastics of murders with assault weapons increasing from 29% from 3% since the ban was lifted? I would really like to know where they are getting this from? Were the gangmembers and criminals having a shortage

This video lets us know the AWB will happen. I don't want to sound racist, but I am just pointing to facts. Did anyone notice that all the victims in these videos, were african american and latino people? Its a shame that caucasian, law abiding citizens have to suffer from the violent culture of mexicans and blacks in the inner city. If they want to ban guns, they should ban it in their own backyard. I also think the stastics must be skewed, because drive by shootings with automatic weapons where much higher in the 1980s and 1990s than they are today. Also, another big problem with afro-american community in the inner cities is they are very anti-gun, yet they always cry how the police don't come to the rescue. They are so busy being victims, they will never stand up against these criminals. All they will do is demand for government intervention to help their pathetic, defenseless selves. I bet if more and more citizens, ane even police, in Miami would carry "assault weapons" , less criminals would feel like using them.

Does anyone think the connection of more and more Mexicans and Central Americans pouring in from the borders from the year 2005 to 2008 with increased gun connections would hold any accountability for the statistics?
 
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Yes, it is about banning people from baring arms. What I like to know is what is with the stastics of murders with assault weapons increasing from 29% from 3% since the ban was lifted? I would really like to know where they are getting this from?
The FBI monitors the % of crimes committed by firearm type. Rifles are consistently around 3%, and not all rifles are "assault weapons."

2007 data: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_20.html

A gunnie on DU pulled the % of crimes involving rifles from the FBI UCR for 1995-2007. Rifle crime is pretty stable.

95 - 3.2%
96 - 3.4%
97 - 4.1%
98 - 4.5%
99 - 3.1%
00 - 3.1%
01 - 2.7%
02 - 3.4%
03 - 2.7%
04 - 2.9% * AWB ended here
05 - 2.9%
06 - 2.9%
07 - 3.0%

The "assault weapon menace" is BS. Rifles aren't a crime problem in the USA and never have been.
 
I have but one question.The buzz about is them making it permanent.How can you make any law forever?
You're right. The Bill of Rights is supposed to be a permanent thing, and clearly the powers that be have decided that that just isn't so.
 
4Freedom, Miami isn't Central American and/or Mexican, it's Carribean, but that's besides my point which is, I hate to break it to you but whites/causcasians/good ol' boys do stupid things all the time as well. Let's not make this a race thing when white guys are responsible for Oklahoma and Columbine as well as other shootings all of the time. C'mon, this is High Road for a reason. Saying poor me sounds the same coming from a white or brown mouth.

Damian
 
I bet if more and more citizens, ane even police, in Miami would carry "assault weapons" , less criminals would feel like using them.
Actualy patrol officers started carrying "assault weapons" in 2007 in Miami. It was news here at the time. The very same officials against private ownership of them were arming the police with ARs. In the very same press releases they would tout the necessity of the ARs for the police and how no private citizens should have such things.


Targeting any specific group for restrictions is always a bad idea. That is where most gun control originated from and spread. It officialy started out as ways to control various violent minority communites, and lead to progressive restrictions on everyone.
It is about control. Anything that can be allowed against any segment of society sets a precedent that allows similar and additional further things to be done to others in the future.


Im not going to jump into the argument of "they are coming now" "no they are not".

I have but one question.The buzz about is them making it permanent.How can you make any law forever?What would stop a future Congress or President from over turning a ban?
There is no doubt that the AWB only ended because it had a sunsent clause, and even with that it was almost renewed as permanent legislation.

It takes a lot more guts for politicians to organize and pass pro gun legislation that really increases freedoms and removes restrictions, while being labeled the cause of everything bad as a result than it does to just kill anti gun bills with a lack of support.
The NFA was permanent, yet it was viewed as unconstitutional by a majority of mainstream judges at the time, and even ruled so in the Miller Case by the lower courts.
Yet after existing for so long has come to be viewed as necessary and normal.

Huge additional restrictions (no over .50, and destructive devices, etc,) prohibited persons, licensing requirements etc became permanent in 1968. At the time it was a big step, now it has come to be viewed as normal to ask the permission of government to excercise a guaranteed right by going through background checks.
In 1986 even complying with the NFA with new registration of select fire weapons by civilians was removed, permanently.

In 1994 the AWB would have been permanent except it barely escaped being automaticly renewed as a mere formality.
Normal is what currently is to people. When some ban on freedom exists long enough it becomes normal, and removing the restrictions that have become normal are then abnormal actions. Actions politicians mindful of careers based more on image than substance are very cautious of.


President Bush said he would renew it if it came to his desk, though he was not very enthuisiastic in support of it. Many Republicans in the House while not willing to come out against a renewal, would not support it if it meant problems with thier base. It was only because of that lack of support, not a willingness to fight against it that an even worse AWB was not renewed permanently as little more than a formality.

If you can go back in history and cite major gun control measures which have been removed after existing for 10-20+ years I will be impressed. I don't mean some minority that gained full rights, I mean restrictions that applied to citizens in general that were then lifted.
Once it exists for a generation it becomes the new "normal". The AWB was quite close to normal, fortunately it lapsed. Now ownership and freedom of those weapons are viewed as normal by many firearm owners, with ARs one of the most popular semi auto rifles.
That is why some of the antis have switched targets for a short time, targeting the .50 and other calibers. People may still be vulnerable to that tactic, willing to support restrictions or bans for hyped things they do not own, just like they were "assault weapons" in the early 90s.
 
4Freedom, Miami isn't Central American and/or Mexican, it's Carribean, but that's besides my point which is,.

Yeah right, the weapons smugglers from south of the border would never dare travel to Miami. They would just keep their business in California and Texas. I suppose they must all be riding on horseback, right?

I hate to break it to you but whites/causcasians/good ol' boys do stupid things all the time as well. Let's not make this a race thing when white guys are responsible for Oklahoma and Columbine as well as other shootings all of the time. C'mon, this is High Road for a reason. Saying poor me sounds the same coming from a white or brown mouth.

I am not being racist here, just go read some crime statistics. You will see the violent and gun crime rates are many many times higher in the neighborhoods of minorities such as blacks and latinos, cubans, etc than in caucasian areas. Even asian communities have far less crime than these neighborhoods. Yeah, good ol boys do some stupid things, but I have lived in Los Angeles and in many good ol boy towns in the USA and I know which place I felt safer walking around at night.

Here if you think I am just mouthing off crap, lets compare violent crime statistics of some good ol boy towns compared to inner cities with high number afro americans and latinos, who in my opinion, are exposed to a more violent culture:

Lubbock, Texas vs. Gary, Indiana
http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Lubbock&s1=TX&c2=Gary&s2=IN

Seattle, Washington vs. Detroit, Michigan
http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Seattle&s1=WA&c2=Detroit&s2=MI

Casper, Wyoming vs. Compton, California
http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=casper&s1=WY&c2=Compton&s2=CA

Redding, California vs. Jackson, Mississippi
http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=jackson&s1=MS&c2=redding&s2=CA

Des Moines, Iowa vs. Birmingham, Alabama
http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Des+Moines&s1=IA&c2=birmingham&s2=AL

Lancaster, Pennsylvania vs. Newark, New Jersey
http://www.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=lancaster&s1=PA&c2=Newark&s2=NJ


Hey, maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me, but I think I gotta funny feeling I know the differences in the demographics of these cities. Each city is simliiar in size, but just look at the differenec in crime rates. Please, don't argue with statistics.
 
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