COgunsales M & M, M-10 AK

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About a month ago I purchased a Waffen Werks rifle. I am very pleased and enjoy shoothing the 5.45 X 39.

I would now like to purchase a 7.62. I have been looking at and trying to research the COgunsales M-10. 90% of what I have read has been very positive.

Other than the "Tacticool" features of the M-10 (which, actually I kinda like), what exactly is the difference between this rifle and a Romanian WASR?

Is there any difference, from the WASR, in the reciever, barrell, internal parts, finish, etc.? Any guarantee of non-canted gas block or sights?

I have read (now, I realize you can't believe everything you read) that though WASRs are made from new parts...the barrells are actually barrells that have been rejected by the Romanian military and selected for sale for the civilian "sporter" market. Any truth to this? Does not mean that they are bad, just not suitable for "milspec".

I like the look of these rifles (though not too keen on 0 dimples on the reciever). However, if for $600, they are just a dressed-up, "take your chances upon delivery" CAI type WASR. I will pass and buy something else.

One final question... Is the M-10 in 5.45 X 39 simply a dressed up WASR 2? I only ask this for those who already own a traditional pattern AK-74, and would like to add a seperate rifle with the "Tactical" look. (OK, I'll admit that I thought abought this option for myself)

Thanks for your input...

Gunner
 
Other than the "Tacticool" features of the M-10 (which, actually I kinda like), what exactly is the difference between this rifle and a Romanian WASR?

Sight/gas block.
Furniture.
Made from new parts.
Looks cooler.
Shortened sight radius does not affect accuracy.


Is there any difference, from the WASR, in the reciever, barrell, internal parts, finish, etc.?

Not really. Finish seems a bit better. M10s have new barrel. WASRs may or may not.


Any guarantee of non-canted gas block or sights?

No, there is no "guarantee", but I've not seen or heard of one that did.


I have read (now, I realize you can't believe everything you read) that though WASRs are made from new parts...the barrells are actually barrells that have been rejected by the Romanian military and selected for sale for the civilian "sporter" market. Any truth to this? Does not mean that they are bad, just not suitable for "milspec".

Like you, I've heard this as well, but am not 100% sure of the truth. From what I understand, WASRs are made of retired, rejected or new (mainly barrel) parts. Although, I hope you hear from someone who actually knows the definite answer to this question. I have a WASR and it really looks new. Everything on it is really nice and the barrel is flawless. It took me a while to find a good one though. M10s seem to be a lot more consistent in quality... no comparison.


I like the look of these rifles (though not too keen on 0 dimples on the reciever). However, if for $600, they are just a dressed-up, "take your chances upon delivery" CAI type WASR. I will pass and buy something else.

I like these rifles and currently, they are one of my favorite AK variants available. Everyone that I've talked to has reported little to no mag wobble. I have two and mags lock TIGHT. Get one. I doubt you'll be disappointed. I was not.


One final question... Is the M-10 in 5.45 X 39 simply a dressed up WASR 2? I only ask this for those who already own a traditional pattern AK-74, and would like to add a seperate rifle with the "Tactical" look. (OK, I'll admit that I thought abought this option for myself)

There is no difference from the M10-762 aside from the chambering.


Thanks for your input...

No, no, no... thank you.

Here's mine (one of two)... groups very well at 100 yards.

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Adam
 
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Adam 123

Thank you much for your reply!

Really guys!! No one else has any input? OK, I realize its only been a couple of hours. I probably get a little more excited about combloc AKs, than most other folks.

However, would like to hear from you...
 
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M-10 545 x 39

I started a thread about 6 weeks ago about my, or I should say, my no longer my, M&M M10 in 545 x 39.

When firing, it seemed to me I was getting a blast of gas powder in the eyes. I am a 30 year Army man, and although not a firearms expert, I sensed it was not right.

I took it back to the gun shop that sold it to me and the local "expert" there said it was "normal" to get a little blast in the eyes! I then sent it to the factory and they sent it back saying they fired it and it functioned perfectly.

In my previous thread, guys were saying it is not normal and one poster said it could be a gas block problem. Subsequently, I was told at gun show recently by a complete stranger that M&M uses their own gas tubes, so if this is true, there is a difference. Bottom Line: I would not recommend this gun to a friend.

Having said that, you only have to go to You Tube and see Wasr misfiring videos to have your doubts about that iteration of the AK.

If I were to buy another AK, personally, I would get a SIG in 7.62 x 39, that is, if I could afford it.
 
2 big differences... the M10 doesn't have a chrome lined barrel, whereas the WASR does. And the WASR has the original AK-type longer sight radius with the front sight on the end of the barrel, whereas the M10 has a shorter sight radius with the front sight on the gas block.

Shortened sight radius does not affect accuracy.
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This could be misleading to some... shortened sight radius doesn't affect the inherent accuracy of a rifle, but it most certainly affects the ability of the shooter to fire the rifle accurately.

Between those two, I would take the WASR. Having a chrome lined barrel is a big deal to me on that type of weapon. To me, the main appeal of an AK is that you can ride it hard and put it up wet and it will still keep on kicking and will last longer than you will. A non-chrome barrel compromises this, especially when using corrosive surplus and when contemplating the possibility of being in not-so-nice conditions for a while between cleanings.
 
Glocknation...

That is sad to hear. I have only bought one firearm from "Atlantic Firearms", and they seem to back this builder up 100%. (Before someone thinks that I am denegrating Atlantic..."I am not")

I guess that I was hoping to hear really good, positive things about this builder, from folks who have actually purchased this rifle.

Allow me to say...This in no way reflects my opinion of "Atlantic". They have, in my one dealing, treated me squarely, seems like decent people.

Gunner
 
First of all...Let me say, sorry to you guys who have purchased this rifle and have been let down.

As in my original post...I have not, as of yet, bought this rifle. I can however, vouch for the "Waffen Werks" AK-74. This one, I have bought.

As I have originally posted..."I like the M & M M-10." I am looking to purchase a 7.62 X 39.

If there is some reason why I should not purchase this rifle...I appreciate your input and reasons. At $700.00 dollars, what else would you suggest?

I will share this with you...If "Waffen Werks" put together a build in 7.62, I would buy it!

Gunner
 
Shortened sight radius does not affect accuracy.
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While no, the shortened sight radius does not make the gun shoot less accurately it does negatively affect one's ability to shoot it accurately.

Giving up sight radius for "cool" looks makes no sense to me.
 
My M10 has been great. The gas block had a little cant but you really have to look for it. The finish is thin and could use some duracote.
 
JustinJ said:
While no, the shortened sight radius does not make the gun shoot less accurately it does negatively affect one's ability to shoot it accurately.

Giving up sight radius for "cool" looks makes no sense to me.
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I thought it was obvious that I meant that the shortened sight radius did not affect my accuracy when I was using irons (of course it won't affect the rifle's inherent accuracy), but I guess you have to spell every little thing out for people in internet land. So, no, the shortened sight radius does not affect my accuracy when shooting irons. From scoped to irons, my groups open up less than any other AKM that I've shot. I didn't give up anything to look "cool". However, I do think the M10 looks a lot better than a standard AKM.

I theorize that the shortened sight radius (to an extent) may be beneficial. The further the sights are apart, the more difficult it is to focus on both sights. Try to focus on something that is two inches from your face and something that is ten feet away at the same time. It's impossible. Now, bring the object that is 10 feet away closer. It's will become progressively easier to focus on both objects as the farther object moves closer.

You can apply this to the AK sights. Shooting precisely at 100+ yards, for me, means being to accurately align my sights and put them on target and I am better able to focus on both sights with the M10 than I am with a standard AK. I have very good eye sight and this may not be the same experience of someone with poor sight.

Furthermore, when the front sight gets closer to the rear, there is less space between the sides of the sights. The below image is fairly close to what I see when I shoot each rifle (took me a minute with MS paint, so it's not perfect). Do note that the M10 has RPK sights. The RPK cut-out on the rear sight is a bit smaller than that of a standard AK.

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I've found that the M10 sights make finding horizontal and vertical zero easier. While a shortened sight radius is generally (or always) considered a bad thing, I thoroughly disagree in this instance. I do not claim that this applies to all rifles. Conventional wisdom is contrary to my experience, but I could not care less about that. I'd rather apply my own logic.
 
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Well, if we accept that Adam123 is an anomaly to the mechanics of shooting it is plenty safe for the OP to assume he will be negatively affected by a shorter shooting radius like the other 99.999999% of the population.
 
Justin, that's cool. I expect 99.999999% of people to read my post, focus on "a shorter sight is better" and skip the rest of it. Enjoy your evening.
 
Yes the M10 do have a Chrome Lined barrel



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Sorry for the misinformation about no chrome lined barrel. I was getting it mixed up with the IO Inc. AKs. They also sell that style AK with the real short sight radius.

If the only negative of the M10 compared to the WASR is sight radius, I suppose how big a deal this is depends on whether you are going to use it with irons or optics.
 
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