jerkface11
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No one said it wasn't bad behavior. I simply maintain that it should not be a crime.
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No one said it wasn't bad behavior. I simply maintain that it should not be a crime.
almherdfan
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It's not so simple. Several comments like the one quoted dismiss the rule of law.
As important as gun rights are, so is the rule of law. Otherwise, our nation would be awash in anarchy and chaos.
I don't think the student should do hard time or face steep fines, but there should be consequences. If I committed 4 or 5 driving infractions in one trip and were pulled over, I wouldn't deserve to be let off with a warning.
And if open carry of long arms were legal on campus, there should still consequences for not practicing very important gun safety procedures.
jerkface11
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You're right we should all follow every law on the books. Nevermind that the people charged with enforcing those laws ignore every one of them.
almherdfan
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Momma taught me two wrongs don't make a right. I can only control my behavior (and to a lesser extent, my childrens). I'm not rigid or naive. I know there are laws that get ignored and/or are selectively enforced. Campus gun laws do not fall into that catagory. Nor was this an acto of civil disobedience. It was just someone making several legal and safety blunders in sequence.
If we want the public, the politicians and the courts to support broad guns rights, then gun owners must act responsibliy.
If we want the public, the politicians and the courts to support broad guns rights, then gun owners must act responsibliy.
jerkface11
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Supporting Gun free zones does not get us broader gun rights.
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Yeah, we all think that the laws we don't like shouldn't be a crime when they are broken. Funny how we pick and choose laws conveniently. We tend to like the laws that protect us from others and don't like the laws we get caught breaking. A particular law that you don't like may be the very same one I think is a necessity.
Hey, knock yourself out and break whatever laws you want. Of course with felonies you will be losing your right to firearms which is probably another law you don't think you sould have to obey.
jerkface11
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As I've said before there are so many laws on the books today that ALL OF US ARE FELONS.
Providing false information on an internet form is a federal felony for one.
bigfatdave
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it might
or it might show that the reporter was pig-ignorant on the subject
or it might show that whoever got called in to "secure" the gun didn't know what they were looking at
or it might show that the rifle contained some convincing dummy rounds for theatrical purposes
Carl N. Brown
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The appropriate constructive punishment would be ordering the 4 hour firearm safety class and a minimum score of 100% on the written exam.
Ignition Override
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Is there any more actual news about the young lady in Knoxville?
ETSU is in Johnson City 152 miles north of Knoxville.
Murphy4570
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thump rrr said:
Or your tools!
As for the young lady, $5 says those were inert cartridges in the rifle, and whoever "secured" it didn't know how to work the safety mechanism on a British Lee-Enfield battle rifle.
I wonder why we aren't discussing contributing to a legal fund so she can afford a private attorney and a jury trial where the question of intent and the fine point of the law could be discussed.
bigfatdave
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well, wouldn't that be a subject for Activism?
(seriously, anyone know of a legal fund, anything that makes gun-free-zones look silly is A-OK in my book, I'll contribute based on that at least)
(seriously, anyone know of a legal fund, anything that makes gun-free-zones look silly is A-OK in my book, I'll contribute based on that at least)
OK, your right. She broke the law and made some unwise decisions.
"We, the people" should use our power of "jury" and judge her and the law equally.
This is our country, not "we, the judges or lawyers" country.
Please visit the Fully Informed Jury Associations web site.
"We, the people" should use our power of "jury" and judge her and the law equally.
This is our country, not "we, the judges or lawyers" country.
Please visit the Fully Informed Jury Associations web site.
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Of course. 2nd amendment says shall not be infringed, right?*
*Not intended to be a factual statement.
Thank you for the insightful summary on the philosophy espoused in many of the posts.
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allaroundhunter
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I never said that I support them, but I do OBEY them.
Murphy4570
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allaroundhunter said:
So you'd obey Jim Crow laws? And speak out against all those folks who did sit-down protests at "whites only" lunch counters back in the 1960's?
Same basic concept.
Obeying and upholding the "law" solely because it is the law is a mighty slippery slope.
allaroundhunter
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Racial segregation and gun free zones are not what I would consider the same concept.
But yes, I would obey the Jim Crow laws if they were present, and I would fight as well as I could within legal bounds to have them removed. Having a gun on a college campus is not activism. At my campus those of us that protest do so by wearing empty holsters on a day that we decide is a day for activism. It is completely legal, and shows that we aren't just going to sit by, it shows that we want change.
BTW....those that did "sit downs" did not do so with a loaded firearm. Their peaceful protests could have gone very badly if they had firearms, and they knew that. This girl's decisions were dumb, plain and simple. There are better things to bring to the activism board people, and standing up for this girl's ignorance is not one of them.
jerkface11
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I never said that I don't obey them. I said I won't call for them to be enforced.
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