Competency after Inactivity?

Shooting a rifle, pistol or Shotgun is a perishable skill. The rifle skill is the easiest to re-acquire, handgun the hardest. The shot gun (on flying targets) is in the middle. I know being stuck inside during the Winter months means a lot of rounds down range to be proficient for the Spring LEOSA qualification.
 
If you've shot a lot you probably won't revert back to becoming a "newb" but I know firsthand that if it's been a while since you've been shooting that it does take a few mags to get back into the "groove", so to speak. You would certainly be able to defend yourself, I don't think that's the issue, but if you don't shoot regularly it can take a minute to get back into the groove of things.
 
This fellow is correct.
On a similar note, I am actually surprised , if not shocked, at the number of tacticool killing machines that essentially admit that they themselves will hide under their mama's bloomers if a day of range time is skipped.
Considering how much people "really" get out and actually shoot on any given day, hiding under something when they do get out under a little pressure and have to actually draw and start shooting, in just a little bit of a panic, might be a good thing. :p

The problem here too is, everyone assumes they are a good shot at the start, before degradation even starts. ;)

Whats the baseline and requirements for "basic" skills here? Id be willing to bet, the people who put in the regular time and effort to actually get somewhat reasonably good at more realistic shooting than bullseye, and who shot all the time up until they stopped for a year or so, will still probably be better after the year, than many who haven't officially "stopped" or even "started".

Look, we all know everyone tells fish stories when it comes to pretty much everything, and this is no different. Just dont start falling for the ones you tell, yourself. No matter how much you shoot, or dont, its all the same in that moment when you actually have to draw and shoot. The results just might not be what you expect, if you haven't been honest with yourself. ;)
 
Whats the baseline and requirements for "basic" skills here? ;)

Just for the sake of discussion I'll throw out a few....
Draw from concealment, real life gun holster ammo and "garment", actual shot timer,
Don't look for the sights distance...say 3 yds 1 to the "A" zone- 2 sec
See the sights/dot say 7 yards 2 to the A zone - 2.5 sec
10 yards 2 to the lower A zone 1 to the upper A- 3.5 secs
 
When my daughter was between the ages of 0 thru 10 I can count the number of time I made it to the range on one hand. I was always able to make a kill shot at 20 yards 100% of the time even after a long stretch.

Now that my daughter is 18 I have a lot more time for me and I have improved. But, for me at least, shooting is like riding a bicycle, the muscle memory comes back very quick.

Of course I did have the advantage of the beer cans NOT shooting back it me!
 
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Whats the baseline and requirements for "basic" skills here?

Just for the sake of discussion I'll throw out a few....
Draw from concealment, real life gun holster ammo and "garment", actual shot timer,
Don't look for the sights distance...say 3 yds 1 to the "A" zone- 2 sec
See the sights/dot say 7 yards 2 to the A zone - 2.5 sec
10 yards 2 to the lower A zone 1 to the upper A- 3.5 secs

That's a good baseline. Actually, that's a baseline I find just barely attainable, but it is attainable for me. And I know because I have a shot timer.

I wonder how many of those claiming they'd still be capable after an entire year of inactivity have ever tested themselves against a timer.
 
That's a good baseline. Actually, that's a baseline I find just barely attainable, but it is attainable for me. And I know because I have a shot timer.

I wonder how many of those claiming they'd still be capable after an entire year of inactivity have ever tested themselves against a timer.

The same could be asked of those who don't think they'd be capable!

For me, at least, it depends quite a bit on how we define "concealed". OWB with a loose sportcoat those performances are "no problem" - and I know that because I've done a great deal of it with my faithful old PACT timer presiding over things. IWB with a tucked shirt and a buttoned sweater, on the other hand, I can't manage any of it even when in top form.

But I have to admit that I have very little experience going directly to timed efforts from concealment after a very long layoff. My only real example comes from trying to show off to an acquaintance. During what ended up being a year without pulling a trigger, I threw on my Jordan Trooper rig with a Model 19, loaded up on wax bullets with shotgun primers, put on a sport coat, and faced off with my "cowboy fast draw" stop plate at 10 feet. Granted, this is a two foot target and is hard to miss at close range, even from the hip - but was still able to manage under a second from the get-go - which is/was about 70% of what I can do when I've really been after it for a month.

I don't really consider that - or me - exceptional, and still maintain that most "serious" handgun men should be able to maintain some basic level of competence even after extended layoffs.
 
Oh lordy! Someone mentioned specific shot times. :uhoh:

I've seen this before on other forums. Good thing that everyone is faster than I am. I can just follow along and not get involved in that.

When getting into shooting with a timer, I caught myself cheating on my own times. Counting a round in when it was out. Reshooting a drill in the set and picking the best time. On occasion I'd tell someone that I can run a clean, cold, concealed Bill Drill in under 3 seconds...because I managed to do it once or twice in ten attempts.

Eventually, I realized that the only person's money I was throwing down range was my own. And, without metrics, you are simply imagining if you can shoot well or not. Once I started scoring my drills like Vickers or Hackathorn do, I found out that I hadn't progressed nearly as much as I thought.

The point is that I KNOW how fast and accurately I'm likely to shoot that pistol at a given range, and in a given circumstance. I KNOW that if I skip the range for a month (which has happened a few times), I backslide quite a bit. My "feeling" is that if I skipped two years, I'd be starting over.

The only "self defense" times that count are the cold and honest ones. Go to the range with a timer, set your target, make a body shot at 20 yards (or whatever drill you like). Note the time. If you miss, you can score that run as "possibly-less-than-proficient", or "possibly-dead". Shoot that drill ten more times, or a thousand, but you can only "count" the first drill. That first score is exactly how good you are at doing that particular thing upon demand at that time.

Try the same drill again next week. Do it for two months. Note the FIRST time in each session.

Then skip 30 days and run it again. Is that time the same as the first? At this point you will KNOW if you need to keep practicing....or not.

Or, you can decide that you don't really care. The first time was good enough.

To be fair though, the OP asked about how we might feel about our proficiency....not what we know about it. I'd guess that most people simply don't know. Feelings are more fun, and make for better coffee-talk.
 
Due to a family health issue I stopped shooting for two months. No dry fire, nothing. Next time shooting competition was not pretty. It has taken me more than two months to get back to where I was before the stoppage. This was all handgun. I don’t shoot rifle much anymore, but I still shoot it better than I do handguns.
 
I dunno. Everybody has there own psyche I guess, as well level of personal integrity.
I like to record my best time, whether it's first or last. I also tend to call questionable shots as out rather than in.
The point is to give yourself a goal for next time to work towards that is difficult to reach.
I've also found many drills, classifiers, whatever to be amazingly accurate. You can shoot, say, the IDPA classifier, or the high power XTC course, Bill Drill, whatever, 10 ten times in a row on a given day. Your score is going to fall pretty much in a pretty narrow range of where your skills currently are. Sure, your going to have that one where you dropped the mag, but you are not going to see a vast improvement from first to last attempt.
That comes from going down in the basement every night ( no ammo ...blah blah blah) and drawing that gun a billion times.
 
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Certainly if I don't get to shoot once a month or so, I'll notice it the first magazine or two when I do finally get to the range. But it comes back quickly, and while the first magazine or two may not be targets to save, I can still count every bullet in a circle the size of a large pie plate out to 25 yards or so.
 
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I have been unable to shoot because of illness for extended periods, including one time for well over a year with no loss of proficiency at 7 to 25yds on multiple steel plates doing speed drills with my 1911 .45ACP or DA revolvers in various calibers.
 
I had hand surgery and didn't shoot for a year or more. I won the next match I was in. But I was in a match a year after breaking a shoulder and did not win. But I think at 20 yards I would have good odds. It depends on the individual. I am a very good shot with lots of training and practice and have actually been in combat. I couldn't predict anything about the other guy so I hope to never have to find out. If somebody has the drop on you being good might not be enough. I guess I can't answer for you.
 
A few years ago I had only to open my patio door to shoot on the pistol range. I shot often, and whenever the notion occurred. It was obvious that the first few shots of the day were not as well placed as the last of the previous day.

By that paradigm, I could only best defend myself the day before, and never today . . . go figure.
 
If I go a while without shooting I can tell a definite difference. My experience after not shooting for a couple of months is if I set a target at 25 yards & shoot 5 rounds at it there will be one hole dead center. The other rounds will be on windage wise but low. If I go home & dry fire for a few days then go back it seems the tendency to milk the grip goes away.

I view shooting pretty much the same as throwing horseshoes, bowling or anything else. If I don't practice I get worse. Sadly life happens & I don't always get to do what I want to do.
 
I couldn't shoot for almost 3 years due to medical issues and surgeries.
When I started shooting again my groups had opened up a bit, not enough to miss with a COM hold.
I can now hit a 5x8 target out to 21y easily.
On a good day a 3x5 card.
With my EDC I started at 3 yards with a 5x8, 10 rounds into card, when you hit every shot move back 3 yards. If you miss start over. Once you reach 21 yards, change to the 3x5 cars and start over.
 
Talking strictly pistols:

min the last 10 yrs I’ve had 2 occasions to where I had to take months off from shooting. First time was severe case of tendenitus that took almost 8-9 months before I could draw and fire again. That is no dry firing or nothing. Hand strength and forearm pain was too severe or degraded.
Then when I lived with my dad for 5 months when he first had his stroke. Taking care of him, his house, my job, and traveling 8 hrs round trips every weekend to take care of my own family, yard, oil changes, etc..,, no shooting.

both times it took between 100-150 rounds of practice drills before I felt like the confidence level said I was “back in the saddle”. Then it dry practice a couple Tim’s a week and short range time weekly to maintain.

my experience only.

Steve
 
My Dad shot this buck in 1939, with a 30 240846517_4334801199899799_1323280122925882607_n.jpg -40 Krag carbine in military trim. He told me he had paid $7.50 for that rifle. In 1959 I watched him shoot a running buck at well over 100 yards with the same rifle, still military. He didn't shoot targets or rocks, His box of 20 rounds of Winchester ammo had lasted 20 years. He'd bought a new box to have a full magazine. Krags were still used in Basic training during WW1 because of shortages of Springfields and Enfields and is likely what he trained with.
 
Any fine motor skill will degrade over time if not used. Just how badly it does depends on the individual. I made my living for many years as an ASME Code 9-G 6 certified welder and once spent six weeks laying and then sitting around due to an accident that left me with a skull fracture and other broken bones. My very first job back at work was welding up the schedule 160 production piping for a gas well that produced 5,000 pounds of pressure. I got it done but my efforts were not up to snuff in looks as they were before the accident. It took a couple of weeks before I was back to normal. Being able to do the lay out work was no problem but getting my hands to make the movements with the welding rods was. I was 37 years old at that time.

Quite a few years ago I put shooting aside in favor of fishing for several years and when I resumed shooting it took several months to return to close the same level as before stopping. I have found age also plays a part and the older you get the slower you are to come back and depending on how long you were away will probably never achieve the same level of skill you once had.
 
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