Just becuase there are guns smaller than a 1911, does not make the 1911 too big to carry. I was very pleased with my 5" Kimber for many years. Didn't make the move to the XD line because the 1911 is too large, just did due to other reasons.
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The 1911 may not be too big...but more often than not, I find it to be far too heavy. Especially carrying while wearing anything other than belted trousers or shorts.
bluethunder1962
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If you like the 1911 I agree with critter. Get a compact 1911. I have a colt defender. It is as accurate as my full size guns and still a 45.
IMTHDUKE
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I have carried either of these....some say the 3" barrels are not dependable, however, that has not been my experience.
Nice Rohrbaugh !
I am saving my pennies (more like Benjamins) for an R9. I am a little concerned about some of the problems that people have with them - that I hear about on the Rohrbaugh forum but I think Carl makes them right. He does stand behind the gun. And right now the R9 is the smallest/lightest overall major caliber gun that is generally regarded as reliable.
There may be some pistols that are lighter than the R9 but then they have an OAL that is longer than the R9. There may be some pistols that have a smaller footprint than the R9 but then they are heavier.
I am saving my pennies (more like Benjamins) for an R9. I am a little concerned about some of the problems that people have with them - that I hear about on the Rohrbaugh forum but I think Carl makes them right. He does stand behind the gun. And right now the R9 is the smallest/lightest overall major caliber gun that is generally regarded as reliable.
There may be some pistols that are lighter than the R9 but then they have an OAL that is longer than the R9. There may be some pistols that have a smaller footprint than the R9 but then they are heavier.
IMTHDUKE
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You'll love the R9. Don't believe the nay sayers who have never even fired one. They are high dollar, but top guns. I carry mine because I forget that I am carrying, it so inconspiciously compact.
chieftain
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You folks that have the mini-guns that you carry as primary weapons, get training to fight with these weapons? Who's course's to you recommend for the mini guns? And what sort of quality practice and such?
I pay for training with my 'J' frames (these days a S&W 642 with CTC grips), but I don't carry them as primary weapons except in the extremes. I do some "tactical" (for the lack of a worse word) practice with them, but nothing like what I do with my primary, a custom Colt LtWgt Commander in 45acp. For health reasons I had to give up carrying my modified Springfield Professional. Weight was the issue.
Most of my "work/training/practice" is done with either an all steel Colt custom Novak 1991A1 Commander (We used to call this a Combat Commander) or one of my many all steel government 1911's most often the Springfield Professional.
You will fight as good or as bad as you train and practice. Square range paper punching isn't the training or practice I am talking about.
Good luck.
Fred
I pay for training with my 'J' frames (these days a S&W 642 with CTC grips), but I don't carry them as primary weapons except in the extremes. I do some "tactical" (for the lack of a worse word) practice with them, but nothing like what I do with my primary, a custom Colt LtWgt Commander in 45acp. For health reasons I had to give up carrying my modified Springfield Professional. Weight was the issue.
Most of my "work/training/practice" is done with either an all steel Colt custom Novak 1991A1 Commander (We used to call this a Combat Commander) or one of my many all steel government 1911's most often the Springfield Professional.
You will fight as good or as bad as you train and practice. Square range paper punching isn't the training or practice I am talking about.
Good luck.
Fred
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Baaaahahahahaha. I'm sorry, sophmor-ish I know, but that made me giggle. Manly giggles, I assurre you.
If you are legally carrying stick with the 1911 and get a better holster and belt.
Dillon Belt for sure. Or a decent shoulder rig.
I carried a Detonics MarkVI, a smaller version of the 1911, for a long time in a shoulder rig. Worked very well. I was small at the time, in the 150-160 range.
If your job or life doesn't depend on keeping the gun concealed, stick with the 1911 full size.
GS
Dillon Belt for sure. Or a decent shoulder rig.
I carried a Detonics MarkVI, a smaller version of the 1911, for a long time in a shoulder rig. Worked very well. I was small at the time, in the 150-160 range.
If your job or life doesn't depend on keeping the gun concealed, stick with the 1911 full size.
GS
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If I could CCW (I'll keep dreaming 
) I'd go with my Glock 30. 10 + 1 rounds of large caliber goodness.
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) I'd go with my Glock 30. 10 + 1 rounds of large caliber goodness. Sent from my RAZR MAXX using Tapatalk 2
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worth repeating.
buggley,
If you want a 45ACP in a concealable packahe look at the Glock-36 or the newer Kahr pistols in 45ACP. I carried the Glock-36 (single stack, 6+1 shot) for several years before opting for a Kahr PM-9 (9mm, 6+1) in a pocket holster. While I shoot several 1911's in competition for defensive purposes I want a pistol without any external safeties or hammer.
Tony
If you want a 45ACP in a concealable packahe look at the Glock-36 or the newer Kahr pistols in 45ACP. I carried the Glock-36 (single stack, 6+1 shot) for several years before opting for a Kahr PM-9 (9mm, 6+1) in a pocket holster. While I shoot several 1911's in competition for defensive purposes I want a pistol without any external safeties or hammer.
Tony
I was a born and bred 1911 fan, until some serious classes taught me that the grip and thumb safeties don't always disengage when you're trying to draw and fire while being tackled or wrestling. Also, my traditional hip carry was hard to pull from while flat on my back, and hard to keep away from a determined assailant. For those reasons, I 'appendix carry' a XDm 3.8 in .45ACP in a Dale Fricke Archangel holster. I can get to it from almost any position, the grip safety has never failed me, and I can fire it from nearly any position as well.
The only reason I went with .45 is that I am set up to reload it, and most of my other pistols shoot it. Modern 9mm ammo is powerful enough to do the job, and I don't like the compromises in .40 cal (too close to the margins, in my opinion. Yours may vary.)
Whatever you get, practice drawing it (triple-checked that it's unloaded) from the ground in a variety of position, while someone is trying to slap-fight you, and after wearing yourself out with sprints, push-ups, or whatever it takes. When the stuff hits the fan, you probably won't be in a 'square range' position, so prepare now.
EDIT: The 9mm or .38 spl is my 'minimum caliber' as well, but I have been known to carry a .380 when I otherwise wouldn't have a pistol (such as when going to the gym).
The only reason I went with .45 is that I am set up to reload it, and most of my other pistols shoot it. Modern 9mm ammo is powerful enough to do the job, and I don't like the compromises in .40 cal (too close to the margins, in my opinion. Yours may vary.)
Whatever you get, practice drawing it (triple-checked that it's unloaded) from the ground in a variety of position, while someone is trying to slap-fight you, and after wearing yourself out with sprints, push-ups, or whatever it takes. When the stuff hits the fan, you probably won't be in a 'square range' position, so prepare now.
EDIT: The 9mm or .38 spl is my 'minimum caliber' as well, but I have been known to carry a .380 when I otherwise wouldn't have a pistol (such as when going to the gym).
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I carry two proven "one shot stoppers" alternating weekly. One week is a Ruger KLCR .357/.38 loaded with the number one stopper, the Federal 125gr. .357mag JHP (96%) or the CorBon 110gr. .38spl +P JHP. The alternating week I carry my Kahr CM9 loaded with CorBon 115gr. 9mm JHP. All are actual "cased based records" recommended by M.Ayoob, Sanow, etc., as the best for SD in those calibers. Both weapons are worn OWB in Mitch Rosen Pancake Style holsters, or IWB Crossbreed MicoClip (CM9), or the BladeTech UH (Ruger). They both are highly concealable, potent, lightweight, and cost effective. Good luck in your search.
Certaindeaf
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If you're wearing bigboy pants and a normal garrison belt, two and a half pounds ain't no big deal. Further, upon shooting, that weight attenuates recoil and aids in sight recovery.
mgkdrgn
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As well you should be, as there is no such thing for ANY handgun.
There are two purposes to your defensive handgun:
1) Convince the BG to go somewhere else
2) Fight your way to your long gun
dprice3844444
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i carry a glock 26 in 1 pocket,2 17 mags in another
Ya may want to take a look at the Kimber Ultra Carry or the Colt Defender, or perhaps the Springfield Armory Sub compact 45's I have the Kimber Ultra Carry II in 45 and it's a fantastic little number to carry. Best way to describe these little 3 inch barreled 1911's it to say they are a snub nosed 45. Little bugger will get someones attention if you ever have to point it at somebody. Ruger SR9c & 40c are nice little guns too. I have both of these as well and can honestly say I've never had a problem with either.
Little bugger will get someones attention if you ever have to point it at somebody. Ruger SR9c & 40c are nice little guns too. I have both of these as well and can honestly say I've never had a problem with either.
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