Confrontation between Alaska gun store and ATF

[dogtown tom]

wwace The issue was they wanted to copy the 4473's, sorry if I didn't make that clear as I though others had already stated that fact. Obviously GNG did NOT deny the ATF from going over their books and all paperwork, the only issue was they wanted to copy the book......

Clear as mud.:banghead:
Form 4473's and the "bound book" are two distinct and seperate items.

 

[Bubbles]

Form 4473's and the "bound book" are two distinct and seperate items.

Non-FFL's normally don't get that.

That said, federal agents can get copies of that information but they better have a subpoena for it.

 

[wwace]

Hey sorry for trying to help, I am not an FFL nor have I any desire to be one. I was just of the impression that since I live here I could get some info. I also have a dog in the race as I have bought numerous firearms from GNG, many in the last five months. I am certainly not going to go back and bother the owner again, this subject just happened to come up in an unrelated conversation.

 

[Murphy4570]

You claim despite no rulings that even come close to generally supporting what you have spewed.

The SCOTUS has not gone along with the heart of your claim in a long time.

It is very important to note what the founders of this nation intended when they created the U.S. Constitution, and what it has become today.

It is a philosophical debate, not a legal one. SCOTUS lost their way a long time ago.

The "commerce clause" has indeed been perverted for many long years now to allow the expansion of the central gov't into affairs that should be the jurisdiction of the individual States.

 

[brickeyee]

It is a philosophical debate, not a legal one.

Ivory towers are a real PITA, especially in the winter.

Wining about how YOU think it should be is not productive, especially when there are more pressing problems.

 

[we are not amused]

I took a break from reading this forum because of the trollish behavior of a couple of pro BATFE members.

I was afraid I might say something un-THR.

Glad to see that the story was confirmed, as I was sure it would be.

To the "Gentlemen" who attempt to kill stories based upon their source rather than facts.

I remember some of the early reports of "Fast and Furious" were initially discredited by some people on this site because FOX News reported it, as did CBS. Now I can understand being leery of the story because CBS reported it, but I would want to check the other sources, before I called it a lie. Something some people don't seem to bother to do.

Some have called the Examiner a disreputable news source because it is only lightly edited. That is one of it's strengths, after all the very well edited CBS news still ran a false story by it's senior news editor and anchorman, Dan Rather. Plenty of other stories by major news media outlets that are considered mainstream have run false and misleading stories, take the current George Zimmerman/Trevot Martin incident in Florida where both ABC, CNN, and NBC have made false claims and with held information from the public in order to influence how it was perceived.

Some people don't want all the news they get filtered through the viewpoint of partisan Progressive Liberals Democrats, which dominate the major news services.
Sometimes I want an unfiltered news source, or even one that is filtered through a Conservative or Republican viewpoint.
I am afraid I don't understand people who aren't interested in anything but news that is filtered through partisan Liberal/Progressive editors.

For anyone interested in the truth, one must keep an open mind and get multiple viewpoints and news sources.

 

[Robert]

GNG said no and the ATF said ok. If anything new happens pm me and we'll see about opening this back up. Too much noise and bickering going on right now. And I don't know that questioning a source makes someone pro ATF...