Conviction for Using Marijuana While in Poss. Of Firearms

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do they keep records that would allow the .gov to put the two together?
A number of those States issue "Medical Use" ID cards for users to go to the Dispensaries for their legal doses. Some of those are photo IDs.
That's not universal in those States.
And, a number of the "will not prosecute" States have ended the "medical need" part of that.

The dichotomy between Federal laws & Enforcement and State laws and Enforcement is a very real one, and likley informs the language structure of "shall not be infringed."
 
And at least one I know of lied on his 4473 form about drug use when buying a gun… then allegedly tossed it in a dumpster somewhere later on. :(

After decades of working with many alphabet agencies and supervising task force investigators assigned to joint operations, I will opine that the Fed LEO’S love sexy cases, their AUSA’S love sexy, gift-wrapped cases. Anything else is almost always a no-go with them.

If it’s a political hot potato, it better be a case that won’t piss off the current leadership. If it will, those often get drug out until the statute of limitations expires and they fade away. o_O

Stay safe.
Yeah it's why there is justice for some and not for others it's pretty corrupt.
 
Luckily, I'd always been a sneaky little critter who wasn't very interested in hurting anybody or anything.

My medicine man, Push-Me-Ta-Ha, dubbed me 'He Who Finds', not 'He Who Kills'... .
That is good. :thumbup: ‘ He who snaps like twig’ is the one to stay far away from.

I never brought anything like that to school, but I did go to a college in Ca that had a gun locker in the dorm office for those of us with hunting rifles ;). So so guess technically I brought an A-bolt .338 WM and a Win 1894 .30-30 to school… if that counts.

Stay safe.
 
She got Capone’d old Al was squeaky clean on most of his stunts that gained him notoriety, but they found SOMETHING to hang him on. Same thing for this lady. Not sure how they pick their victims, but I wouldn’t want to be the unlucky one to be up when the feds take aim.
 
.... I will opine that the Fed LEO’S love sexy cases, their AUSA’S love sexy, gift-wrapped cases. Anything else is almost always a no-go with them.
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This.
Several years ago I had a young man get denied on his NICS check. I gave him the appeal info. Many months later I contacted him too see if he had heard anything. He claimed the FBI would not tell him the reason. I knew that wasn't true and told him storage fees would begin that day.

Two months later he calls and says his appeal was approved. He brought in a FBI document that said he could now purchase a firearm as his period of deferred adjudication had expired for a drug offense. Yet when he filled out his 4473, he stated he was not under indictment or information that could result in a felony or imprisonment for more than a year. He lied.

I called my IOI and asked if I could transfer being that its damn clear he was prohibited when he filled out the 4473. Her response? "The Dallas US Attorneys Office will not accept charges on 4473's".:rofl:
 
This.
Several years ago I had a young man get denied on his NICS check. I gave him the appeal info. Many months later I contacted him too see if he had heard anything. He claimed the FBI would not tell him the reason. I knew that wasn't true and told him storage fees would begin that day.

Two months later he calls and says his appeal was approved. He brought in a FBI document that said he could now purchase a firearm as his period of deferred adjudication had expired for a drug offense. Yet when he filled out his 4473, he stated he was not under indictment or information that could result in a felony or imprisonment for more than a year. He lied.

I called my IOI and asked if I could transfer being that its damn clear he was prohibited when he filled out the 4473. Her response? "The Dallas US Attorneys Office will not accept charges on 4473's".:rofl:
Proving gun control is bogus when they want it to be.
 
I didn't realize all 4 of my sons knew all my wife's passwords and PIN numbers until I asked for her SSN one night and couldn't reach her. Turned out all my kids knew it, and all her passwords, because she kept asking for help with setting up her phone, computer, TV, etc. So if she set a safe with the same 4 digits she used for everything else, the kids would have access. She probably would have had one of the older kids set the combination for her!
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...so many millions and millions use it and are peaceful and generally law abiding.

How in the world do you refer to someone who uses marijuana as law abiding? last I checked, marijuana was against the law.The very fact they use it automatically makes them not law abiding. It doesn't matter whether you agree with the law or not.
 
How in the world do you refer to someone who uses marijuana as law abiding? last I checked, marijuana was against the law.The very fact they use it automatically makes them not law abiding. It doesn't matter whether you agree with the law or not.
You must have missed the "generally" part of that post. No one is completely law abiding.
 
She got Capone’d old Al was squeaky clean on most of his stunts that gained him notoriety, but they found SOMETHING to hang him on. Same thing for this lady. Not sure how they pick their victims, but I wouldn’t want to be the unlucky one to be up when the feds take aim.
Are you saying you think she bears no responsibility for what her six-year-old did?
 
As long as your 6 year old doesn't shoot his first grade teacher I don't think anybody's going to get in trouble. If that's all they could get on her to hopefully Throw the Book at her. I'm good with that.
Hear! Hear!

The fact the kid got the gun and got it to school was evidence enough that it wasn't properly secured. If the couldn't "get" anything on her, I'm glad they got this.
 
...No one is completely law abiding.

Agreed. There are so many laws on the books that it would be impossible for each citizen to know all of them. (That is probably by design.) But when a person is using drugs that are blatantly, well known, to be illegal, it suggests a total disregard for the law, and they can, in no way, be considered, even "generally" law abiding.
 
...States facilitate the breaking of Federal law by allowing the sale of illegal drugs
BINGO! We have a winner. No more calls, please. I can't believe the federal govenrment hasn't invoked the Supremacy clause on this.

do they keep records that would allow the .gov to put the two together?

My state does. There is an entire state level bureaucracy around recreational pot sales. A regulatory agency. A branch of tax collection. Every grower has to be approved, licensed, inspected, and pays taxes, and the same is true for every retail seller who buys form the growers.

I kind of thought that Jeff Sessions, when he was Attorney General under Trump, would send the DEA to the state capital with court order to surrender all of those records. Can you imagine? There is enough evidence there to charge every single drug grower and seller in the state under Federal law.

However, I doubt they could connect that to gun purchases via 4473s for two reasons. 1.) The 4473s are supposedly not searchable and 2.)the entire industry, from top to bottom, is in cash (because banking is Federally regulated and the stuff is still illegal at the Federal level), so there are probably no customer lists anywhere.
 
How in the world do you refer to someone who uses marijuana as law abiding? last I checked, marijuana was against the law.The very fact they use it automatically makes them not law abiding. It doesn't matter whether you agree with the law or not.
Yep, you missed the "generally" part. I specifically said it. It is widely regarded as legal in most states by most people, even non users. I'm aware it's not legal on the federal level, most people don't seem to care about that until they bring the hammer down. Don't get me confused with somebody who is pro pot, but I think if we are at a point in our society where the president is mailing everybody papers stating that at his direction he is having all marijuana convictions past and present "expunged" from record why don't they legalize it already and get done with the federal/state ambiguity.....
 
This.
Several years ago I had a young man get denied on his NICS check. I gave him the appeal info. Many months later I contacted him too see if he had heard anything. He claimed the FBI would not tell him the reason. I knew that wasn't true and told him storage fees would begin that day.

Two months later he calls and says his appeal was approved. He brought in a FBI document that said he could now purchase a firearm as his period of deferred adjudication had expired for a drug offense. Yet when he filled out his 4473, he stated he was not under indictment or information that could result in a felony or imprisonment for more than a year. He lied.

I called my IOI and asked if I could transfer being that its damn clear he was prohibited when he filled out the 4473. Her response? "The Dallas US Attorneys Office will not accept charges on 4473's".:rofl:

DOJ/ATF by direction of Biden has weaponized the FBI NCIC for gun purchases. If you answer YES on question 21-e. on the ATF Form 4473 for pot/drug use you will be disapproved. Also, they may even go as far to check if you have a medical card for pot use and then arrest you for lying on a federal form.
 
Agreed. There are so many laws on the books that it would be impossible for each citizen to know all of them. (That is probably by design.) But when a person is using drugs that are blatantly, well known, to be illegal, it suggests a total disregard for the law, and they can, in no way, be considered, even "generally" law abiding.
Most people break laws that are well known. Speed limits, for example. Point is, a person who smokes pot but is otherwise law abiding could still, IMO, be considered to be generally law abiding, much like someone who breaks speed limits but is otherwise law abiding. All that said, this is all a matter of opinion. I appreciate you defining the terms that you're using. That's a critical step that is too often missing in these sorts of discussions.
 
Yep, you missed the "generally" part. I specifically said it. It is widely regarded as legal in most states by most people, even non users. I'm aware it's not legal on the federal level, most people don't seem to care about that until they bring the hammer down. Don't get me confused with somebody who is pro pot, but I think if we are at a point in our society where the president is mailing everybody papers stating that at his direction he is having all marijuana convictions past and present "expunged" from record why don't they legalize it already and get done with the federal/state ambiguity.....
To be fair, it's not ambiguous as far as buying a firearm at a dealer goes. The 4473 is quite clear and concise about it. If someone checks no on that question, they either know very well that they're lying or they flat just didn't read what they were signing.
 
It turns out, you break the law, you go to jail.
Yep, that’s how it works

There would certainly be fewer laws broken every second in the Country if that were so.

“No, one is above the law.” Is comical to me when I hear it from the mouths of people who claim people in the act of breaking laws are “peaceful protesters” or need publicly funded “safe” places where they can break the law…
 
There would certainly be fewer laws broken every second in the Country if that were so.

“No, one is above the law.” Is comical to me when I hear it from the mouths of people who claim people in the act of breaking laws are “peaceful protesters” or need publicly funded “safe” places where they can break the law…

There would have to be fewer laws. They can't throw everyone in prison every time they break the law. Who would be outside the prison to arrest anybody?

This is the perfect example of discretionary enforcement. They have enough laws that they can put almost anyone in prison if they try hard enough. So they can't prove somebody broke the law? Dig through their trash until you can get them on some other law.
 
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