Miami to give officers assault weapons

[Black Adder LXX]

wheelgunslinger,the City of Miami is not an affluent area.In fact as of the 2004 US Census Bureau figures of cities over 250,000, Miami ranks #1 as America's poorest city per capita income.
You are thinking of wealthy suburbs such as Coral Gables,Key Biscayne,Adventura and Miami Lakes.These are separate municipalities with their own tax base.This does not help the City of Miami's revenue stream.
This town is a joke,run into the ground by crooked Pols and LEOS for the past 75 years.

No doubt... Miami is a hole... Don't get lost there at night... Even with an AR...

 

[yesit'sloaded]

I'm sure they could afford to issue 1 mosin and 50 rounds of ammo per car. Steel core heavy ball will penetrate just about anything I have shot it at. That includes steel plate, kevlar, and a jug filled with wet sand. Who needs a 30 round mag if your first shot penetrates the perps body armor...on both sides of his body.

 

[RobXD9]

From the artice: Officers interested in the guns will have to undergo two days of training and be certified to use the weapons.

Two whole days of training? Man, if only concealed carry classes lasted that long. No wonder police are more well trained that us commoners.

*cough*

-r

 

[hankdatank1362]

Not even Crockett and Tubbs were issued "assault weapons"

Don't forget the pilot episode, season one. Crockett and Tubbs confronted arch-nemesis Calderone with Crockett sporting a Nam-era select fire M16 and Tubbs had his trademark 12GA (Ithaca, IIRC).

 

[Exmasonite]

Aside from the reasoning and supposed "facts" that are being cited for this policy, i see this as a great thing because of the underlying message:

We're going to better arm our police officers as opposed to trying harder to take firearms out of the hands of our law abiding citizenry.

 

[wheelgunslinger]

wheelgunslinger,the City of Miami is not an affluent area.In fact as of the 2004 US Census Bureau figures of cities over 250,000, Miami ranks #1 as America's poorest city per capita income.
You are thinking of wealthy suburbs such as Coral Gables,Key Biscayne,Adventura and Miami Lakes.These are separate municipalities with their own tax base.This does not help the City of Miami's revenue stream.
This town is a joke,run into the ground by crooked Pols and LEOS for the past 75 years.See these stats:

Thanks for the info. You're right. I was thinking of the burbs you mentioned.
Years ago, I went down that way doing security and volunteer construction work after Hurricane Andrew. What a hole it was, even then.


Local cops in towns I've lived in have AR type rifles from money that homeland security gave them.
I guess miami got some of that and it went straight in someone's pocket.

 

[Teufelhunden]

Officers using the weapons in Miami will shoot "frangible" bullets, which shatter after they've hit something to avoid striking bystanders or other unintended targets.

That too struck me as a poor choice. Shooting at someone driving a car trying to run you over isn't that unusual of a scenario (in the realm of scenarios that would require a rifle) and those frangibles aren't going to do much against a windshield or body panels.

My department does not issue rifles to anyone outside of our special units due to budgetary constraints, but the Sheriff has a very liberal policy on allowing deputies to carry their own rifles. We've got AR's, FAL's, AK's and a couple of other things out there--but everyone is required to qualify with them every year. I know some folks moan about how agencies should issue required gear to their people, but I've found that the stuff I will spend money on for myself usually ends up being better stuff than what they want to issue me anyway--I'm just glad we're allowed the latitude to make personal purchases of gear we use at work.

-Teuf

 

[Harley Quinn]

Are we forgetting that Fl was the state that allowed Bush to steal the election, so if it is crooked LEO like some say, the Pres and his Gov brother are setting a fine example And others are following in lockstep

I believe that Law Enforcement should be allowed to have the guns they need and the Feds should pay the bill.

If anyone fits the discription of a militia like the 2nd mentions they do

It really cracks me up to think the civilian population should be able to have the guns they want, but that LEO can not have them to enforce

I think we need more rules for the citizen to be able to carry also, so does FL.

 

[RobXD9]

Harley: Are we forgetting that Fl was the state that allowed Bush to steal the election, so if it is crooked LEO like some say, the Pres and his Gov brother are setting a fine example And others are following in lockstep

Having lived in FL in the past, let me just say this state didn't "allow" Bush to steal the election.

The people here really are just that ignorant that they didn't know what they were doing.

But it shouldn't surprise anyone given that Florida looks like a giant limp shlong.

Happy days to all!

 

[the pistolero]

I believe that Law Enforcement should be allowed to have the guns they need and the Feds should pay the bill.

If anyone fits the discription of a militia like the 2nd mentions they do

PLEASE tell me that was sarcasm....

 

[Zundfolge]

I'm sure they could afford to issue 1 mosin and 50 rounds of ammo per car.

No, they'll issue one man a rifle and 5 rounds, the next man 5 rounds ... when first man falls, second man picks up rifle and continues

I believe that Law Enforcement should be allowed to have the guns they need and the Feds should pay the bill.

Its not the Fed.Gov's job to do local law enforcement. I have no problem with police having a carbine in the trunk, but back when I turned a wrench for a living, I had to buy my own tools ... same should go for the police.

 

[obiwan1]

Are we forgetting that Fl was the state that allowed Bush to steal the election, so if it is crooked LEO like some say, the Pres and his Gov brother are setting a fine example And others are following in lockstep

I believe that Law Enforcement should be allowed to have the guns they need and the Feds should pay the bill.

If anyone fits the discription of a militia like the 2nd mentions they do

It really cracks me up to think the civilian population should be able to have the guns they want, but that LEO can not have them to enforce

I think we need more rules for the citizen to be able to carry also, so does FL.

Did he REALLY write that??!!

 

[Harley Quinn]

[quoe]Did he REALLY write that??!! [/quote]

Which part of it don't you agree with

This part should have been changed to read:

I think we need more rules for the citizen to be able to carry also.

 

[WuzYoungOnceToo]

Who needs a 30 round mag if your first shot penetrates the perps body armor...on both sides of his body.

Anyone who...

1) Is facing more than one perp, and/or

2) Doesn't make a kill with the first shot.

 

[Harley Quinn]

Its not the Fed.Gov's job to do local law enforcement. I have no problem with police having a carbine in the trunk, but back when I turned a wrench for a living, I had to buy my own tools ... same should go for the police.

Now that is priceless
The thin blue line is all that is keeping this society from going down the tank IMHO...

If Deadwood had not had "Bullock", a different result would have happened.

http://www.deadwood.searchroots.com/bullock.htm

HQ

 

[sacp81170a]

The thin blue line and an armed law abiding citizenry helps keep this society from going down the tank IMHO...

There, fixed it for ya...

 

[the pistolero]

The thin blue line is all that is keeping this society from going down the tank IMHO...

Tell ya what. If you really believe that, sell all your guns and post a sign on the door.
"No Guns In This House, But The Police Are Ten Minutes Away."
I don't take a back seat to anyone in my respect for the thin blue line, but to say they're the only ones standing between civilization and its downfall exhibits a mindset only the Bradys and their acolytes could love. If you're going to say something like that, why don't you just go ahead and say only the police should have guns? I don't see the two as being that far apart.
As for the police being the "well-regulated militia" that was envisioned by the Founders when they wrote the Second Amendment into the Bill of Rights, I can't help but think that's more or less the polar opposite of what they had in mind.

 

[willbrink]

"if officers want to use them now, they will have to pay for them, Timoney said."

Wow, way to support officers....not.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Chief Timoney/NYPD

The Miami FL police chief really hates guns and gun owners(even if they are lawful, ). He retired from the NYPD and worked in Philadelphia PA as a PD chief so I think his background plays a big part of his anti-gun stance.

Florida residents and to an extent the sworn LEOs who serve in the sunshine state learned long ago that armed citizens and cops need firepower to defend themselves against violent crime not BS politics or lipservice.

If I were a sworn LEO I'd have several weapons in my duty vehicle if my department's policy allowed it; a large caliber handgun, 1 or 2 back up handguns, a .12ga shotgun, a M-4 type rifle or maybe a 7.62mm weapon like the M-14/M-1A, a less lethal weapon for crowd control/riots and plenty of spare ammo for all of the duty weapons.

I think some US LEOs do not plan or prepare to handle major events while on duty and think SWAT or another LE agency will deal with types of incidents.

Rusty

 

[sacp81170a]

I think some US LEOs do not plan or prepare to handle major events while on duty and think SWAT or another LE agency will deal with types of incidents.

That particular mindset has started to change drastically. Since Columbine, active shooter classes and scenarios have become a regular part of our training regimen. That said, one of the big gripes I had with our Simunitions training was that we only had the handguns and not the rifles or shotguns. Anyone who would willingly enter a building to take down an active shooter armed only with a handgun when a rifle or shotgun is available is dangerously stupid. The departments in my area have wised up considerably.

 

[RustyShackelford]

US sworn LEOs-use of rifles/5.56mm

I agree with part of the last post but in my view many US LE agencies either are not doing enough or are going about arming the sworn LEOs with old, used or out dated weapons. When the 1997 North Hollywood incident took place, the LAPD brass went out and bought a huge load of used M-16a1 5.56mm rifles. These were considered old when I was in the US Army nearly 10 years earlier, . A local sworn LEO(a deputy in a large urban area) told me how the agency made a big deal over buying new weapons and took years to do so. The police officers in the large city I live in just replaced the 9mmNATO SIG pistols after 16 years! Then the Chief(a guy who retired from a small middle class suburb before going to the city post) went out and got new SIG P-226 9mmNATO pistols. ***? The PD did allow sworn officers to buy the SIG .40 and .357 models to use if they wanted.
As far as training/weapons use, I'd say sworn LEOs should be ready to buy or get training on their own if needed. Big budgets and high speed training would be nice but I do not think it's the main view of 60-75% of sworn LEOs in the US. I think many of them expect the agency to provide all the gear/weapons/training then cry about it when they get in a jam or must deal with a high profile incident like an active shooter spree killler.
Rusty