Couldn't We Petition Big Brother About Norinco?

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I've never understood the ban on Chinese arms and ammo. Couldn't I kill a rival crack dealer with a Russian or Yugo SKS just as well? :banghead:
Would a petition circulating around gun shows and the internet do any good? I'd like to see some cheap Chinese stuff come back.
 
Yes,I'm sure letting Chinese guns back into the country is right on top of Big Bwana's to-do list.

And you are obviously not a crack dealer. If you were,you would know that your ilk prefer pistol-grip AK-47 sniper rifles designed for spray-and-pray and .50 BMG's.
 
Now if WalMart wanted then brought in . The Govt would bend over back wards for them. But for common people nope . Just as good of pistols being made in Philippines today.
 
The chinese steel is far superior to anything out there, and the barrels on the 1911 were chrome lined to boot. How good? Wilson Combat was using them for base guns on his custom builds, when they were available.
 
The chinese steel is far superior to anything out there, and the barrels on the 1911 were chrome lined to boot.
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I don't know about superior, but on a par with most anything else... if you can get them to use the right one! Sometimes their idea of "equivalent" is a little loose. By the way, the price of steel in China is going through the roof. If it continues, it'll actually be cheaper to buy steel forgings in the U.S.!

I agree about the quality of the Norinco M1911s. I bought one with the Bush $300 tax refund. The thing about the Norincos was that the major components were first rate, better than Colt was in the '80s. The little parts however were a mess. The hammer on mine followed, so I stripped it to bend the leaf spring, only to find it was redder than Dennis Kucinich's politics. It was bare metal that was completely coated with rust. I ended up replacing most or all of the trigger group parts and with a small investment in gunsmithing ended up with a very reliable, very accurate gun.

PS - The first time I cleaned it, I used Shooter's Choice spray cleaner to get into inaccessible areas. I went to put the gun down, and COULDN'T! The crappy plastic imitation GI grips melted and stuck to my hands. I ended up replacing those with Ajax fake ivory grips. Now it looks fit for Mike Hammer!
 
Geez folks, Norinco was caught running Chinese spies into the US, haven't you heard, it was in all the papers.
No kidding.
Plus a sting operation caught up Norinco emplyees trying to smuggle full auto AKs to Gangs in California.

Its not a matter of quality or anything else, though I've heard some horror stories about their M14 clones.
I wouldn't buy anything PRC because the Chinese arms factories use slave labor.
Buying from a former Soviet State is different, they need the cash worse and the Evil Empire has fallen there.
 
The full auto AKs was an accident, they were shipped to legitimate dealers, as my favorite dealer in Las Vegas, got a bunch of them and immediately reported it to ATF, I seriously doubt a licensed gun dealer would risk his livelyhood to sell to LA gangbangers as there was a paper trail on each one of those weapons.
 
I've been thinking about this too. I have no philosophical problem with my money going to China. We give them money, they give us first-rate guns. Sounds like a win-win to me. North China Industries makes good guns, what can I say? The problem is not even so much gov't as whinny Americans who will no doubt be bitching in this post, "buy American!" and the ever present, "I will not send money to a communist regime" folks; they've never been to capitalist China, but they know from the 1970s, that the people still sing praises to Chairman Mao. Frankly, I'd like weapons from Korea as well (the K2). One must also consider the American gun industry who will protest that Norinco will put American gun makers out of business... well, good I say. If you can't compete and keep over-charging me for an AK-47 you deserve to lose your damn job. For a $100 difference, I'd consider "buying American". For the $400 premium we have to pay for 'merican guns, no way. Besides, I'd hedge my bets that Norinco would open up a factory in Alabama or something like that and we'd have Americans building the AKs. Hell, Norinco would probably be more "American" than S&W in 10 years...
 
The full auto AKs was an accident
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The sting operation was for 2000 selective fire AKs expressly smuggled into the US after weeks of negotiations. This also happened during a hiatus on Norinco sales in the US, there were no legal shipments at the time.
There may have been an accidental shipment at one time, but its just as likely they got one of their smuggled shipments mixed with a regular shipment.

Norinco was caught with its pants down. They and several other Chinese industries with ties to the Chinese military were operating as fronts for Chinese spy rings.
Really I thought this was all common knowledge.
I can dig up the old news stories on it if you like.

Heres one
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...jects/U/United States International Relations
 
Getting back to doing something about it, it was an executive order, right? Any chance Bush might throw us a bone there on his last day?
 
Not only did Norinco attempt to smuggle full-auto AK's, the AK's HAD NO SERIAL NUMBERS ON THEM.

THAT was no "mistake".

Norinco was using the company as cover for spies, and smuggling totally illegal "sterile" guns. They deserved to be booted.
 
they've never been to capitalist China
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Whether you accept it or not, China is still communist controlled. Deng did his reforms only to bring in money and technology to China since they were so far behind. The only reason the Chinese govt. allows a semi-capitalist economy to function is to benefit them. When it no longer serves their purposes it will be over with. If you wish to support the communist government of China, by all means do so, but I for one fully support any restrictions on Chinese imports and would like higher tariffs on all imports. We need to stop giving our jobs to foreigners. Someday people will wake up and realize they destroyed their country for the sake of cheaper prices. In the case of Norinco, after what they did, I can't see why anyone would want to support them.
 
Well a few final words on this subject.
The chinese steel is far superior to anything out there,
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The vast majority of Chinese steel is total crap, only in recent years have they begun to import South American ore from one of the few deposits of high quality Magnetic ore not found in the US or Northern Europe.

As Deanimator found even if the steel wasn't substandard the heat treament of internals often is.
Many Norinco SKS rifles suffer from rapid wear of the sear and loss of spring tension.
There are sites on the net devoted to listing all the safety hazards of the Norinco SKS alone.
Plus a barrel pressed and pinned in place is not a sign of high quality. How you gonna rebarrel one of those if you had to?

The sanctions against Norinco have a time limit, and since China has cooperated with the US to some extent on defusing the North Korean Nuke problem its not unlikely some sanctions will be eased.
Unfortunately the Chinese have also sold materials to the Iranian Nuke program and transfered US Hot Track engineering technology , which Wild Bill Clinton sold them in exchange for under the table contributions to the DNC, to Iran and other enemies of the US to improve their delivery systems. This also brought down sanctions and is less easy to forget.
 
I've got a Norinco ATD22... the Browning Auto 22 "copy"... and it's a fantastic little rifle. Some previous owner tuned it up making it as smooth and accurate as he**. I doubt any real Browning Auto 22 could shoot any better.
 
Yes,I'm sure letting Chinese guns back into the country is right on top of Big Bwana's to-do list.

And you are obviously not a crack dealer. If you were,you would know that your ilk prefer pistol-grip AK-47 sniper rifles designed for spray-and-pray and .50 BMG's.
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Back in those days, a Norinco Type 56-S underfolder could be had new in box from Sile with three mags, sling, bayonet, and cleaning kit for $500 out the door.

That's not really such a deal compared to a WASR with one mag for $325, like we have nowadays...
 
My lasst employeer buildt a plant in China to increase their profits. So where am I going wrong in being able to buy a Chinese buildt gun? I'm sure that these plant is really supporting the goverment to the tune of more money than if I was to buy a gun now and then.
 
Name me a product , other than autos that is not assembled or manufactured in China.American autos are built mostly in Mexico and Canada, only Japanese and German are built here.Kind of scary isn't it.Everyone is aware that 90% of the toys are made in China.No extra charge for lead based paint.Even Compaq that had a huge plant a few miles from me shut down and moved their operations overseas. Every piece of electronics I own was assembled in China.That list includes my TV, DVD player,my PC, Monitor, printer, music keyboard, digital camera,cell phone, regular phone and digital video camera.Even if you wanted to buy American, those items would be unavailable to you as they are no longer made here.FWIW my Norinco Sks went through more than 1200 rounds and the guy I sold it to, has fired an additional 5000 rounds through it. without a hiccup. He loves it!
 
Name me a product , other than autos that is not assembled or manufactured in China.American autos are built mostly in Mexico and Canada, only Japanese and German are built here.Kind of scary isn't it.
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I've managed to find lots of U.S. made products. It's getting harder, but there are U.S. made items (even clothing!) available still. I don't understand the mentality of "most stuff is from China now anyways so let's just forget trying to protect what's left of our industry" because the fact so much is made in China now should serve as a warning that something needs to be done to reverse it. To let our arms industry be moved entirely to China for the sake of saving a little money would be the dumbest mistake of a series of mistakes in our dealings with the Chinese. We'd be pretty well done for if they started a war with us (and to those who would argue trade stops wars/conflicts, the same thing was said before WWI and it has simply not been proven true in actual practice).
 
I don't want Norinco trade in the US, even though I'd like to have a Norinco paratrooper SKS and a 1911. I'm not willing to let those enemies sell there wares here.

I'd love to see Norinco weapons here, but primarily as war bring-backs, if anything.

As for buying US-made stuff, doing so is all the more difficult in a rural area. And unfortunately, the quality is often not there, and the original materials used to make them come from China anyway (ie textiles for clothing). And if you buy "made in the USA" you will pay 2-3x as much. (I don't know about you, but I can't afford to payt 2-3x as much for clothing, let alone for everything else - which I tend to do without rather than buy, simply on principle.)
 
Last I checked Russia was well on its way towards being one of the most undemocratic nations in the world.
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Since the vast majority of European surplus I've seen including Russian manufactured arms, comes from the satellite states like Poland, Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia Russia itself never crossed my mind.

Still "Undemocratic" is a long ways from harvesting the internal organs of political prisoners and running massive slave labor camps that build the junk Norinco sells.

I'll agree that Putin is showing his hinney by resuming long range bomber probes, thats what the Russians did in the 60's. Thats why we had F-102 interceptors flying all weather intercepts to guard our coastlines.

Now days the Russian Bombers are easy meat for our Fighters. Only purpose those flights serve is to try to tie up resources and flex muscle.
 
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