Counterboring lower the value of a MN 91/30?

[Timradcliffe345]

1) How would counterboring a MN 91/30 detract from its value to a collector?


2) Was the hex or round receiver the most commonly produced Mosin 91/30s?

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

7.62x54r.net

Will have all your answers.

 

[Ash]

Counterboring will lower the value, but not significantly on a common specimen. Round receiver 91/30's made in 1942-43 are the most common. Octagonal receivers are less common on 91/30's but easy to find.

 

[cracked butt]

The gigantic CAI import marks on the receiver pretty much neagte any collector value anyway, counterbored or not

 

[RonE]

How do you lower the value of a $69.95 rifle?

 

[MRIman]

How do you lower the value of a $69.95 rifle?

You get a "5-fer" deal for $250 !!!!!!


MRI

 

[35 Whelen]

I'm with RonE...ya can't lower the value of the common ones much more.
35W

 

[plexreticle]

How do you lower the value of a $69.95 rifle?

LOL, that's exactly what I was thinking.

 

[telomerase]

The value of a MN is that it HAS no value, thus may actually be somewhere when needed other than the safe.

 

[Bezoar]

mosins do have value regardless to what american gun companies would like us to think.

a counter bore doesnt really hurt the price, but if you manage to find a more rare variety of mosin nagant, than it can hurt value slightly.

 

[mrmeval]

Counterboring does effect the value but the sheer volume of those rifles will keep the price down for a decade. I judge them by how idiotic the banner ad on it is, the condition, it's rarity , whether it's counterbored, has fifteen billion serial number strike outs, been force matched, etc.

 

[Mr White]

If you leave it as is, I'll give you $50 for it. If you counterbore it, I'll only charge you $20 to take it off your hands.

But to answer your question, no, I don't think counterboring it will detract from its value at all.

 

[AnaxImperator]

Counterboring does effect the value but the sheer volume of those rifles will keep the price down for a decade. I judge them by how idiotic the banner ad on it is, the condition, it's rarity , whether it's counterbored, has fifteen billion serial number strike outs, been force matched, etc.

Very true.
For now & the near-to-midrange future, Mosin Nagants that have been molested (billboard import stamps, counterboring, refurbished, etc) will not be of any less value than they are now, but as the herd is thinned out eventually, Mosins that have been counterbored or import-marked will achieve a value parity with those which have not. In other words, it won't matter to collectors as much when these rifles become scarcer; or at least ones which though refurbished, have matching numbers and strong, bright bores.

If anything, I prefer a counterbored Mosin Nagant with a dark or frosty bore, slightly beat stock & force-matched parts, over an MN with a perfect stock, matching parts, shiny bore, and a damaged crown.

 

[nalioth]

Quite a few of them received a counterbore during postwar arsenal refurbishment.

A counterbored Mosin is common.

 

[MJ]

I bought two laminated Mosin rifles just to get the wood. The '38 Tula is couterbored about 30mm. The rest of the bore and lead from the chamber look new. I'm betting it will shoot. As soon as I twist up some 174g MK's I will let you know.

 

[AmishFury]

counterbore doesn't affect the value as much as some try to say... some people care too much about this to the point that someone on some other forum said they were going to PASS ON A 1941 VKT M91 FOR $125 because of a counterbore... that's a fairly extreme example but alot of people blow the whole counterbore thing out of proportion

 

[cracked butt]

but as the herd is thinned out eventually, Mosins that have been counterbored or import-marked will achieve a value parity with those which have not. In other words, it won't matter to collectors as much when these rifles become scarcer; or at least ones which though refurbished, have matching numbers and strong, bright bores.

I agree to a certain extent- the counterbore will probably only drop the priceby $10-20 if they ever go up in value. The import markings are another matter- a small import mark near the muzzle will be far more valuable than a rifle with a CAI 'billboard' mark. I don't consider anything with that marking to be collectable.

For some parallels thta can be seen in othre rifles and their values- swedish m96s usually only sell for about $20 more than a similar yet what could be considered inferior M96B (threaded muzzle for training). A M94 carbine that doesn't have the rediculous 'G33/50' import marking is worth 3-4x as much as one that does, and the price gap continues to get larger.

 

[kcmarine]

Unfortunately, a Mosin Nagant is not a Colt Patterson. They chugged them out by the millions (the guns, not the vodka... wait, yeah the vodka too), and as such, there are tons of specimens out there. If I were you, I'd do what I wanted. You won't have to worry about the collector value of that thing for at least another 50 years, if not more.

Damn it, now I want one!

Oh yeah... did I tell you guys about the $500 M44 I saw at Cabela's? Ah, the fun of ridiculously overpriced guns.

 

[jws527]

I really don't understand the mindset of some collectors. It seems that most would prefer a rifle that has sat unused or unissued in a vault somewhere for several decades, rather than one that was actually used for its intended purpose. I suppose they like the idea of getting a pristine, representative example of a given piece - but isn't part of the fun of collecting in the history itself? Seems to me the flawless pieces would hold more appeal to pure shooters. Now, I'm not talking about mint pieces vs. non-functioning junk, but functional rifles that wear the scars of years gone by.

As far as I'm concerned, the counterbore is a non-issue. Yes, that's an obvious indicator that the rifle was rearsenaled...but a rearsenaled rifle is a used rifle. It was actually out there somewhere.

 

[mrmeval]

If you want a rifle like that you can own it easily enough. Pristine rifles are rare and rarity sets value. If you can show a famous person was issued the rifle then it can be a piece of scrap and will be worth more than a pristine rifle.

 

[Cosmoline]

Counterboring was done by the Soviets all the time. Most 91/30's aren't rare or particularly valuable, but you should double check to make sure yours isn't before taking that step. And of course it would only be needed or useful if the crown was damaged to start with. Oftentimes you can get more accuracy with simple shimming and slugging. I've seen USSR rifles with bores worn out enough that they do better with a .312" bullet or even a .313" argie mauser bullet. That's why slugging is useful.

You have to be sure of what you have to start out with. If you can't be sure, don't do any major changes.

a Mosin Nagant is not a Colt Patterson. They chugged them out by the millions

That's too broad. Some are extremely rare, and were made only in very small lots. I've found a lot of nice bargains from folks who assume all mosins are identical. A fellow on this forum snagged an M-28 from some shop owner who thought it was just like any other Mosin. Check twice and be sure.

 

[SimpleIsGood229]

Yeah, and he snagged that M28 for $90!!!

 

[Z71]

I just paid a healthy premium to buy an M38 thats in the proper stock and not counterbored.!

Thats just me though. My two 91/30's both have excellent bores. My M38 i currently own has a so-so counter-bored bore.

The counterbored M38 shoots just fine. I just wanted one that wasn't counter-bored.

 

[MJ]

How do you lower the value of a $69.95 rifle?

You can't with out destroying it with a tourch.

It's going to boil down to accuracy.