jerkface11
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You could say those things about all of the people who were running for the republican nomination.
Cruz is out! Will Trump protect our 2A rights?
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You could say those things about all of the people who were running for the republican nomination.
Savageman25
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To answer the question, I believe Trump will defend them by default but I don't feel it's a big thing in his mind (which I will take, rather than having a person Waging war against the 2nd A). Hillary on the other hand has an agenda very much like our current president, so if your thrilled of how this country has been ran for the past 7.5 years by all means vote for her.
I actually do believe that Trump will win. I'll take him over Sanders or Clinton.
What makes me sick is the fact that as a 31 year old I can't think of a single great nominee that I could have voted for in any presidential election since I've been able to vote. Kinda sad that I have tried to be a patriot and vote and have had to vote for the person I feel would do the least amount of damage to our country. That's what has become of our government.
I say we actually do as the constitution says and overthrow it (while we still possibly could) and reinstate the republic in which was formed 240 years ago.
If I never post again on this board again it may be possibly that I was arrested for the prior sentence. Even if our constitution says that very thing. (It's past time we do it) How long America? How long?
I actually do believe that Trump will win. I'll take him over Sanders or Clinton.
What makes me sick is the fact that as a 31 year old I can't think of a single great nominee that I could have voted for in any presidential election since I've been able to vote. Kinda sad that I have tried to be a patriot and vote and have had to vote for the person I feel would do the least amount of damage to our country. That's what has become of our government.
I say we actually do as the constitution says and overthrow it (while we still possibly could) and reinstate the republic in which was formed 240 years ago.
If I never post again on this board again it may be possibly that I was arrested for the prior sentence. Even if our constitution says that very thing. (It's past time we do it) How long America? How long?
"President Obama spoke for me and every American in his remarks in Newtown Connecticut."
Donald Trump 2012
And how many of them had a chance against Clinton? This is going to be just like 2008 Obama's white guilt victory.
ColoradoShooter77
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If Trump is 15 points behind Clinton in November, there's no point in voting for him.
The gun-owning white male is a serious minority in the current electorate, Trump's electorate. I'll be surprised if he gets over 150 EC votes in November.
The gun-owning white male is a serious minority in the current electorate, Trump's electorate. I'll be surprised if he gets over 150 EC votes in November.
Red Wind
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Savageman25 said:
You and your guns are safe at this time. I would not write the same words with confidence 8 years from now if Hillary Clinton is in office.
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Trump alienated a lot of people during his campaign - if anything, his focus was on being as divisive as possible. It worked well when he only had to win primary elections, being voted on mostly by hardcore Republicans sick of all the RINOs the party has been trotting out.
Winning a general election is a different game. Trump doesn't have any mass appeal and will lose any kind of minority vote you care to name. Not to mention that the media, who are the real kingmakers in this process, are firmly in Hilary's camp. Trump will carry the hard-line Republican states but I expect him to lose big everywhere else.
I expect a banic to hit around October when the damning poll numbers start coming out. As soon as some kind of sound bite comes out from Hilary about gun control ("I respect the Second Amendment, but I also believe we need to keep our children safe from the weapons of war on our streets"), we'll kick off Firearmageddon 2017.
I'm probably going to buy a Del-Ton this summer. I'm not an AR guy, but I might as well get one while they're still on the shelves and dirt cheap. At the worst case, I could probably flip it for a K this Christmas.
Winning a general election is a different game. Trump doesn't have any mass appeal and will lose any kind of minority vote you care to name. Not to mention that the media, who are the real kingmakers in this process, are firmly in Hilary's camp. Trump will carry the hard-line Republican states but I expect him to lose big everywhere else.
I expect a banic to hit around October when the damning poll numbers start coming out. As soon as some kind of sound bite comes out from Hilary about gun control ("I respect the Second Amendment, but I also believe we need to keep our children safe from the weapons of war on our streets"), we'll kick off Firearmageddon 2017.
I'm probably going to buy a Del-Ton this summer. I'm not an AR guy, but I might as well get one while they're still on the shelves and dirt cheap. At the worst case, I could probably flip it for a K this Christmas.
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Red Wind
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Walt Kelly's famous Pogo cartoon from April 22,1970 might be appropriate here:
toivo
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This is going to be interesting. Trump should -- repeat should -- reflexively support the Second Amendment, but his history as a New York elitist makes me nervous. I lump him in with those celebrities who pull strings to get New York City carry permits that ordinary mortals can only dream about. To them, it's another status symbol; they don't want everybody to have one.
A Clinton presidency would be a nightmare for gun owners. She definitely has her axe sharpened for us. If Trump is going to go down in flames -- and I have a feeling he will -- I'd rather it be against Sanders, to be honest. In the White House, Sanders would be so busy trying (and failing) to get his economic agenda rolling that he wouldn''t have time to screw around with gun control. It was never one of his key issues anyway.
A Clinton presidency would be a nightmare for gun owners. She definitely has her axe sharpened for us. If Trump is going to go down in flames -- and I have a feeling he will -- I'd rather it be against Sanders, to be honest. In the White House, Sanders would be so busy trying (and failing) to get his economic agenda rolling that he wouldn''t have time to screw around with gun control. It was never one of his key issues anyway.
You can hate Trump, think he's a Trojan horse, or whatever you want. Refusing to vote for him is a vote for Hillary.
You want to keep your guns? Hillary is committed to taking them away. Not voting helps Hillary. Trump is your only chance.
You are never going to find a candidate that truly wants everything you do. Politics is a compromise. You can vote for Ron Paul, Chuck Norris, or Foghorn Leghorn if you want to. If you want to keep your guns you have to vote for the Republican. If you rather have Hillary over Trump you would rather be sure you will lose rights than maybe lose rights. You are not even for yourself.
You want to keep your guns? Hillary is committed to taking them away. Not voting helps Hillary. Trump is your only chance.
You are never going to find a candidate that truly wants everything you do. Politics is a compromise. You can vote for Ron Paul, Chuck Norris, or Foghorn Leghorn if you want to. If you want to keep your guns you have to vote for the Republican. If you rather have Hillary over Trump you would rather be sure you will lose rights than maybe lose rights. You are not even for yourself.
Bobson
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^ Yep.
Even if I disagreed with Trump on EVERY issue but the 2A, and even if his odds of winning were one in a million, I'd still vote for him instead of either Hillary, or choosing to make some sort of worthless moral point by not voting at all. Politics is a microphone on the issue debate stage, and voting is using your voice. Not sure if you ever noticed, but you can't win a debate by keeping your mouth shut, and you sure can't win by using your voice to agree with your opponent.
Far as I'm concerned, there may be no reason to fear for your guns regardless of who wins (even if it's Hillary). Still, using that as a reason to not vote Trump ("Hillary can't do anything anyway blah blah") is like playing Russian Roulette just because you "know" the gun is empty. You just don't do it.
Even if I disagreed with Trump on EVERY issue but the 2A, and even if his odds of winning were one in a million, I'd still vote for him instead of either Hillary, or choosing to make some sort of worthless moral point by not voting at all. Politics is a microphone on the issue debate stage, and voting is using your voice. Not sure if you ever noticed, but you can't win a debate by keeping your mouth shut, and you sure can't win by using your voice to agree with your opponent.
Far as I'm concerned, there may be no reason to fear for your guns regardless of who wins (even if it's Hillary). Still, using that as a reason to not vote Trump ("Hillary can't do anything anyway blah blah") is like playing Russian Roulette just because you "know" the gun is empty. You just don't do it.
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Problem I see with Trump on the ballot as our hope to save the Constitution
is that (should he be way behind in polling) many likely Republican voters will stay home
and not vote.
That lack of right leaning voter interest will really hurt the chances of the Republican party
to retain control of the House and/or the Senate.
If Hillary steps in with Congressional control, all bets for the future of a free country are off.
The next President will probably be filling the SC seat held by Ginsberg (87 by 2020)
and possibly Kennedy's (83 in 2020) in addition to the seat held by Scalia.
JT
is that (should he be way behind in polling) many likely Republican voters will stay home
and not vote.
That lack of right leaning voter interest will really hurt the chances of the Republican party
to retain control of the House and/or the Senate.
If Hillary steps in with Congressional control, all bets for the future of a free country are off.
The next President will probably be filling the SC seat held by Ginsberg (87 by 2020)
and possibly Kennedy's (83 in 2020) in addition to the seat held by Scalia.
JT
Aragon
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Very interesting viewpoint. RR had "no chance" in 1980. There was no way he was expected to even carry his own California. What changed? Largely our dislike and disgust for JC.
Things really have to go sour for HC in order for DT to have a chance. But they very well could -- she's terribly damaged goods. She could well be indicted by the election. Bernie might also go commando and siphon votes away from her. There's also the chance that DT could refine his message a bit on the stump and choose a truly great running mate.
Sad to see so many have already given up. Sad to see them tout their overly simplistic conclusions based on EC arithmetic. I still think that HC will win going away, but I do think that DT has a chance. A real chance.
Plan2Live
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So back to the actual question, I believe Trump would be support the 2nd Amendment more than Hillary would.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=10210965#post10210965
This one went off track pretty quickly.
If you want to protect the 2A then work for it at the local and state level to ensure your rights are respected and protected by your City/County officials, State legislature and Governor and your Congress Critters so whoever is POTUS has no laws infringing on your rights awaiting their signature. As we've seen the Antis are not just focused on the Federal Government and they've made progress against you in the states and intend to continue so they can change Congress against us.
This one went off track pretty quickly.
If you want to protect the 2A then work for it at the local and state level to ensure your rights are respected and protected by your City/County officials, State legislature and Governor and your Congress Critters so whoever is POTUS has no laws infringing on your rights awaiting their signature. As we've seen the Antis are not just focused on the Federal Government and they've made progress against you in the states and intend to continue so they can change Congress against us.
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