Tulsi talking 2A??

[Styx]

As justice Thomas pointed out in the Bruen ruling, should blacks and women be treated as "second class" citizens and kept from being able to vote, own property, be gun owners, speak freely, etc. just because they are in the minority? And should the First Amendment be a "second class" right?

Of course not and "We the People" saw the injustice of mob rule imposed on the rights of the minority and fixed the Bill of Rights to protect the minority rights to vote, own property, become gun owners, speak freely, etc. ... to be "equal" first class citizens entitled to equal rights.

The same goes for the Second Amendment and minority gun owners. Justice Thomas stated in the Bruen ruling that the Second Amendment is not a "second class" right. To me, this means minority gun owners are not "second class" citizens either and full entitlement to the Second Amendment must be protected from the mob rule of the majority, just as "We the People" did to protect the rights of minority blacks and women.

Okay, Thomas basically stated that 2A wasn't a secondhand right, but when did he every claim that the 2nd or 1st Amendment was immune from any regulation?

 

[Plan2Live]

You should have put her in a corner

I respectfully disagree. I was having a quiet, calm, pleasant conversation, I didn't want to come across as confrontational, just wanted to give her a different perspective. I'm comfortable with my approach.

 

[starling]

I respectfully disagree. I was having a quiet, calm, pleasant conversation, I didn't want to come across as confrontational, just wanted to give her a different perspective. I'm comfortable with my approach.

Your talking tact there now. Of course you have to be charming and smile while your doig it. I wouldnt advice screaming or talking down to someone when they have a squad of armed guards. Smile, be nice, and ask questions. Most of these people have legal backgrounds and play garbage word games and manipulation tactics with us. Sad part is people easily get sucked into it. They train and practice for these types of interactions. Tulsi may be polished a little more but she is still pretty dumb and not genuine (towards the populace anyways). None of them are.

 

[tark]

Trump is gonna need a running mate.... Just saying...

Yes he will...Nikki Haley will do just fine.

 

[Smaug]

[...]I'm not quite sure what to make of this, as she had a horrible 2A voting record while a congresswoman representing Hawaii. Is this a change of heart? or just political pandering?

After the past few presidential elections, (both parties!) I realized we should not even bother to listen to politicians' speeches. There's no accountability for what they say. We should look only at their voting records.

Or, another approach: compare campaign promises to voting records to come up with an Honesty Factor.

 

[AlexanderA]

Tulsi Gabbard is just burnishing her credentials to be a cable TV pundit (on Fox News). She's not going to be a factor politically, going forward. No point in even discussing her, from the RKBA standpoint. She has nothing to contribute in that regard.

 

[Styx]

Tulsi Gabbard is just burnishing her credentials to be a cable TV pundit (on Fox News). She's not going to be a factor politically, going forward. No point in even discussing her, from the RKBA standpoint. She has nothing to contribute in that regard.

A lot of people on the left and right really like her, and I see her holding political office again. Yes, I think she wants be on cable TV, but only because she plans on holding office again. She wants to stay relevant. The only reason she is not currently in the Senate is because she didn't run for reelection, so she could run for President in 2020..

 

[jobu07]

I could be wrong but I think she is still in the Army Reserve (16 years and counting) in a medical position. She has 2 deployments in Iraq.

I'm old enough to remember when most Democrats here in Texas were pretty middle of the road on most issues and I don't remember any that had issues with the 2A, at least until Reagan was shot (I still remember that day).

This was back in the early-to-mid 80s, but of my 2 primary recommendations to the Air Force Academy, one was a republican and the other was a Democrat. Both were very supportive of our military back then. My how things have changed.

She's a reserve Civil Affairs officer, promoted to LTC last fall.

 

[tark]

The only reason she is not currently in the Senate is because she didn't run for reelection, so she could run for President in 2020..

She was never in the Senate. She was in the House of Representatives representing the 2nd District in Hawaii from 2013 to 2021

 

[Styx]

She was never in the Senate. She was in the House of Representatives representing the 2nd District in Hawaii from 2013 to 2021

You are correct. I didn't know who she was until the 2020 Election and her debate with the current Vice president. I have followed her since then. I don't know how I got it in my head this entire time that she was a Senator during her tenure.

 

[old lady new shooter]

"Natural law" is not a constitutional principle in this country. Quite the opposite -- we have separation of church and state, and at root, "natural law" is a form of religious faith.

As a practical matter, every right has been wrested by people from their reluctant rulers. Nothing was given to us for free.

The "natural law" argument actually weakens the struggle for the RKBA, in that it makes us complacent. The Creator is not going to lift a finger to help us keep our guns. It's strictly up to us.

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution. Those who seek to keep religion out of the public square lifted it from a letter written by Jefferson. The establishment clause does not ban religion from the public square, it prohibits the establishment of a state religion. The language in the Declaration of Independence clearly shows that the Founders' belief in a Creator was a strong animating principle in the creation of our country.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Okay, Thomas basically stated that 2A wasn't a secondhand right, but when did he every claim that the 2nd or 1st Amendment was immune from any regulation?

What he did say was that regulations have to have a basis in our history. Which pretty much eliminates stuff like banning "assault weapons" and "high-capacity" magazines.

 

[Styx]

What he did say was that regulations have to have a basis in our history. Which pretty much eliminates stuff like banning "assault weapons" and "high-capacity" magazines.

Yes, they hinted at that in Heller referenced that in other cases, but they have not explicitly taken a case and settled once and for all how far "assault weapons" and "high-capacity" bans and limits can go. Until they finally do so, the question of the constitutionality of such laws will still be debated and in question in the political and judicial system.

Both sides can and have made arguments on why they believe there is historic basis to support their argument for or against AWB and capacity limits.

 

[AlexanderA]

A lot of people on the left and right really like her, and I see her holding political office again. Yes, I think she wants be on cable TV, but only because she plans on holding office again.

She couldn't be elected Dogcatcher in any jurisdiction I can think of. She's pissed a lot of people off by cozying up to Assad and Putin. Both the Left and the Right hate her, for various reasons. She never registered at more than 1-2% in her run for President.

 

[Styx]

She couldn't be elected Dogcatcher in any jurisdiction I can think of. She's pissed a lot of people off by cozying up to Assad and Putin. Both the Left and the Right hate her, for various reasons. She never registered at more than 1-2% in her run for President.

I see the exact opposite... The extremes on the left and right hate or are critical of her. The majority of Americans are NOT 2A absolutist and it's not the end all and be all that it is with gun nuts on gun forums. They do base their vote or who they support on gun rights. Even if they are for looser or against looser gun laws, it's not an important enough cause for them to make them dislike and not vote for a particular candidate. Since you mentioned them, Americans aren't thinking about or really care about Assad or Putin either. I know that I could not care less about a candidates opinion about foreign leaders with all the domestic issues we have going on right now. That's something the extremes on both sides are obsessed about.

What I am seeing is a woman that the minority hates of staunch gun loving conservatives and staunch and extremely loyal members on the far left dislike, but the majority of everyone likes.

 

[tark]

The phrase "separation of church and state" does not appear anywhere in the Constitution

True, but the first sixteen words of the first amendment are as clear a mandate for the separation of church and state as you will ever see. Try substituting the words "the government " for the word " congress." In this context "congress " is really just a synonym for "the government."

Takes on a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

 

[Hartkopf]

She couldn't be elected Dogcatcher in any jurisdiction I can think of. She's pissed a lot of people off by cozying up to Assad and Putin. Both the Left and the Right hate her, for various reasons. She never registered at more than 1-2% in her run for President.

Our current vise president polled around 1% and everyone here too. Nothing would surprise me.

 

[old lady new shooter]

True, but the first sixteen words of the first amendment are as clear a mandate for the separation of church and state as you will ever see. Try substituting the words "the government " for the word " congress." In this context "congress " is really just a synonym for "the government."

Takes on a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

An "establishment of religion" means setting up a particular religion as the official religion of the country.

BTW, if "religion" means a set of beliefs regarding a Creator and based on those beliefs a set of rules about how people are to behave, currently TPTB are establishing atheism as the official religion of the country. Think about it.

 

[Robert]

We are drifting further and further from the topic. Religion, no matter your stance, is strictly off topic for THR. Make up your own minds and do as you see fit. We are done with this one.