CSPAN thread for Monday 03/01/04

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A decade later, they constitute a smaller interest because there has been a decline in interest. There has been a shift in tracing data to guns actually used in crimes. We have to look at state and local LE info on weapon usage. We can talk about all the dramatics about firearm misuse. We can talk about Columbine and the emotions it brings. What happens we ban them? It is the law-abiding citizen who owns them and uses them responsibly, or collects them, that is hurt. To suggest based on the DOJ studies, that the AWB has worked since 1994 is inappropriate. The reality is, less than 2% before, and then after. Goes over 1805 again. The gun control advocates through the years found out that we read the statistics and said no, and so they decided to go through the courts. In this case, penalizing law-abiding citizens for the actions of a 3rd party. Uses drunk driving analogy.

Let's not add the AWB and risk failure of the 1805 bill.
 
Craig talking about how suing Chevy cause someone was hit by one of their trucks is no different than suing gun manufacturers.
Craig has yielded the floor, but DiFi's back. :barf:

DiFi talking about how gun trace info is good stuff.

DeWine (RINO) is up talking about the AWB, apparently he's in favor of its renewal.

Kharn
 
Feinswein is saying that her data was good and Craigs wasn't because it was nothing more than a survey of criminals.
 
How can the Chevy truck be reponsible for a drunk driver running over someone and killing them?

Frankly, there is no difference.


Add some humor here: If it was a SUV, the situation changes dramatically. SUIV's are dangerous and should be banned immediately!
 
Thanks for the welcome.

I've called both my senators last week and today. Snail mail went out this weekend, and also to the President, but don't think they will arrive in time (or they will on Tuesday morning).

Senator Cornyn's staffmember today assured me that not only is he a cosponsor of a clean SB1805, but is totally against the AWB. I haven't gotten such comments from Senator Hutchison's yet.
 
Sen. Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) is going off about how the AWB keeps criminals from buying Assault Weapons, increases safety because it reduces the amounts of shots a criminal can fire. The ban won't effect hunting or recreational rifles, etc. :rolleyes: "it only effects those guns with no legitimate use" "no legitimate gun owners needs a T-E-C 9" ..only a criminal that wants to kill a large number of people needs a gun like that..
 
Hey, ya'll shut-up. Rep DeWine just said the AWB has not been a problem for AR owners for the past 10 years. . .

I'm sure he knows what he is talking about. . .

He says he hasn't gotten any calls about this law infringing on our rights. . .I am calling him right now.
 
Feinstein: I find it interesting that gun trace info is suddenly unacceptable, but a survey of criminals is. I don't buy it. Tracing guns to crime IS appropriate.

DeWine: I rise to give support to the AWB. Since it took effect in 1994 has been an effective tool in fighting crime in this country. It has made it more difficult to get access to guns only designed to allow people to kill in a short period of time. It's the only reason they exist. Continuing the ban is simply the right thing to do. The reauthorization has the support of EVERY SINGLE MAJOR LE organization in America. A study found that assault weapons are 20x more likely to be used in a crime. One stated concern is that the ban will infringe on 2nd rights. Well, the ban has been in effect for 10 years, and not caused problems. What is the compelling reason to repeal this law? How many of us have heard from our hunters, or those that want to use firearms for protection or recreation have heard that this is infringing on our rights? I don't think we have. Speaks of all the protection that the AWB gives to legitimate shooters.
 
No legitimate gun owner should want or have a TEC-9. It is not a legitimate weapon for any but mass murdering criminals. The most important reason for this ban is that it limits the number of rounds in a clip. What is it the LEO fear? One thing is that somebody comes in with a big clip, and can shoot and shoot without being able to be stopped. This law limits it to 10. We understand the is arbitrary, but it makes sense. But it makes people take time to change clips, which is valuable to LEO when fighting a mass murderer.
 
I'm glad to see DeWine muttering about clips instead of magazines. It brings his knowledge on the subject to the front. Please don't tell him the difference between clips and magazines.
 
Reloading after 10 rnds allows cops to fire back quicker. :scrutiny:

"Voting for the amendment keeps the status quo." That's a politician in a re-election year if I've ever head one.

Large magazines aren't needed for sport shooting or self-defense.

"Does a grenade launcher sound recreational to you?"

YES IT DOES! :D
 
DeWine: "20 rounds is far more than a hunter, sportsmen or individual concerned with self protection needs... we know that".

The way this guy talks is making me :barf:
 
The Senator is going on about how the 10 round limitation saves lives. He is stating that if a bad guy is shooting up police department the time that the criminal is trying to reload after he has emptied his magazine gives LEO a chance to tackle him.


I would like the antis to come up with even one time that a police officer has tackled a bg while he is reloading!!!
 
A vote for the Feinstein amendment is a vote for the status quo. The AWB prevents the mfg of new high cap mil style mags for the public, and the guns designed to work in conjunction with them. 30 rounds is far more than anybody concerned with hunting or target shooting or protection needs. Threaded barrels are more useful to murderers and assassins. Does a grenade launcher sound recreational to you? I think this is pretty modest law. The AWB does not outline a gun with only one feature, only two or more. These are dangerous weapons, that do not belong on our streets. LEO will tell you these weapons are a threat to them and the public. These are not for hunting or self-defense.
 
Feinstein: Big cities see how these weapons are used. The argument of the collector vs. The average citizen is what we have today. Many of these come with collapsable stocks, or put two banana clips together, or adjust the trigger to fire faster. Believe it or not, some can fire 30 rounds in 3 seconds. No collector is stopped from buying these guns. What is stopped is the mfg of new ones.
 
Feinstein is back: These are not just semi-auto weapons like Sen. Craig said "You can adjust the trigger to fire 30 bullets in 3 seconds with some of these weapons"
 
Feinstein just got her wish on time being equally distributed between the two sides.

Kharn
 
I want to meet the human being who can empty a 30 round mag on an semi only AK in 3 seconds. I can't even move my finger that fast with no resistance at all. Bring that point up! Ask the good Senators to try to move their finger 30 times in 3 seconds, and you instantly see how absurd that is.
 
>>>He says he hasn't gotten any calls about this law infringing on our rights. . .I am calling him right now.


This is PROOF that Dewine is a lier. He will say ANYTHING to get what he wants. I'm sure he hasn't had a lot of call...most people already know it is probably a waste of time. But all senators get calls about everything, from every position. Dewine is an immoral windbag who isn't just a RINO, he is a full on leftist stealing Republican Party money to get and stay in power.
 
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