Discussion in 'Legal' started by bfieldburt, Mar 1, 2004.
Next amendment Classified add loophole, and then Internet sale loophole.....ad infinitum.
I beleive the Russians have always been able to own hunting rifles and shotguns.
Reed: The next terrorist attack could involve the gunshow loophole, we can't always predict how terrorists will attack us.
Yep, and then he'll finally get the "friend at the donut shop" loophole.
What I like is how many new members have joined THR. Now call your sens/reps - cc your reps on senate emails.
I am a "New Member" due to my lack of posting articles and responses. To date I have made 21 phone calls to Washington DC regarding this one Bill.
Is that sufficent to get you off my back? Had you made a request, rather than demand that I call my Senator I wouldn't have taken such strong offense.
I just got home so I've missed all the fun .. anyways .. on cspan right is the deomocratic canidates debating .. but I can't find the Senate meeting ? is it over ?
Dang, calm down! I didn't read that as a demand. This would be a demand: GET OFF YOUR *** AND CALL YOUR SENATORS OR ELSE!
"Reed: The next terrorist attack could involve the gunshow loophole, we can't always predict how terrorists will attack us."
Yes, and it could also involve a death ray from Mars, but I dont think so.
Live feed. Senator Craig is talking about how the gunshow loophole amendment is bumpkiss.
"friend at the donut shop"
Are you saying local LEO?
Craig: We know that thousands of law-abiding citizens, target shooters, collectors, hunters, etc. go to gun shows to access manuals, books, and so on. Reed mentioned 3 terrorists. They were apprehended, prosecuted, and convicted. So it would appear that the law is working. I must say, considerable change has been made from the last time it was submitted. The bill is in fact a smoke screen. There is no reason to think that the 24 hour check at the state level would ever be achieved, with the lack of incentive. With a 3 business day check still allowed, a few large states could drag the whole works down. This amdt makes no funding for upgrades, and gives no priorities to gun shows. There is no priority to move the check to the front of the list. Sometimes law-abiding citizens travel long distances to gun shows, and to not be able to make their transaction in a reasonable time doesn't make much sense. But they could outside the gun show doors, which doesn't make sense. Most importantly, the amdt ignores a main issue. Just because one errored study mentioning loop-hole was done, does not indicate a problem.
No, Reed said that his amendment won't effect you selling a gun to a friend that you met in the donut shop. I was just saying that he'll get to that bill a few years down the road.
It was a lame attempt on my part to be humerous, sorry.
Craig: Here we are today trying to drag down a very important bill in this country to protect legitimate mfg, by cluttering up 1805. McCain-Reed bill does not fix real problems with NICS. I want no law-abiding citizen to be blocked or delayed from buying a gun. This would create massive liability for gun show operators that could well shut them down. If you put them at risk for great liability, they will step back from this business. McCain-Reed creates massive red tape. It turns what is often times a casual conversation into a sale. Say you are an active participant, and see a gun you like, but decide not to buy it. Some weeks latter, you convince the wife you need that gun, and call back the owner ready to buy it. Were they in violation of the proposed law? Who knows. This amdt makes it arguable it could be. All that can go on inside the gun show can go on outside the gun show. Step one is the inside, but down the road they are progressing to controlling outside. Those that believe in our rights believe current laws are adequate. Calls for the amdt to be voted down to keep 1805 clean.
Key point from Sen. Craig....If current laws are effectively enforced, there is no need for "gunshow loophole" amendment other than to clutter this bill.
I agree with the Honorable Senator Craig but why didn't Frist do this when cloture was agreed upon ? (or do I misunderstand Senatorial procedure?)
Notice again, how Craig guards his time. 19 minutes aginst 3 and 5.
The man knows what he's doing, for sure.
It is official, according to Sen Reed
WISCONSIN is the Gun show capital of the US !!!!!!!
Reed: I'd be very curious if the cited 2% or less studies were done at a state level, since fed laws usually involve more white collar criminals. The suggestion that McCain-Reed will disrupt gun shows is far from the truth. States have already stepped up to close this loophole. Says current laws certainly didn't work for those killed in Columbine.
He has been a senator for as long as I can remember, it is nice to have expirience on our side.
I'd like to take this moment to apologize for all the errors, grammatical and otherwise, in my posts. Gets hard to keep up with all those statistics and such, especially with the droning way some of the antis goes on. Not to mention I didn't get much sleep last night, and the warm sun is making me want to take a nap. *yawn*
Only Party members of high standing.
Craig: I think clearly we've established the large number of gun shows in this country. The law that is currently on the books is appropriately the same inside the gun show. So how does the word loophole appear? It comes from a special study that occasionally, yeah, somebody does get a gun out of a gun show and use it in crime. Then yes, there is a loop hole both outside and in. It's in the back streets, the ally, the trunk of a car. Gun shows are a 2 day or less event, you want an instant check when you drive 200 miles to it. The McCain-Reed amdt allows for complications as long as 3 days. Much of what WE do is impulse buying, but then much of it isn't. When you are spending 400-600 bucks, sometimes you need to consult somebody at home *grins*. If you needed to contact that same person from the gun show later on, would they still need to do the check about the private sale, just because of the gun show from before? Calls for a no vote once again.
Haha, Schumer's not gonna make it, but Reed's usurping Feinstein's time.
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